CCWG IG Weekly Teleconference - 2014.2.13 - Adobe Chat

Petya Minkova:Good afternoon!

  Hago Dafalla:hi good afternoon

  Alexandra Dans:Hello from Uruguay :)

  Cintra Sooknanan:Hello

  Filiz Yilmaz:Hello all

  Leon Sanchez:hello everyone ,

  Klaus Stoll:Hi, everybody

  Michele Neylon:all hail

  Michele Neylon:or something

  Ken Stubbs:good day all !

  Michele Neylon:Ah now

  rafik:hi michel

  Michele Neylon:salaam

  Bart Boswinkel:Plese note I'm ICANN staff as well

  Joana Varon:Hello from Brazil

  Michele Neylon:Bart - yes yes you are

  Hago Dafalla:pease call me again my phone is:+249922382627

  Petya Minkova:@ Hago I will communicate it now to adigo

  Philip Corwin:Greetings from very snowy Washington DC metro area

  Greg Shatan:Hello from an also snowy New York City.

  Petya Minkova:@Hago please mute your microphone

  Michele Neylon:Let's see

  Michele Neylon:the Chairs of the SGs etc support this

  Hago Dafalla:ok

  Michele Neylon:what's the problem?

  Michele Neylon:I'm confused

  Kristina Rosette:Greetings!  I'll probably be on mute for most of the call.  I've got several snowbound 9-year-old boys racing around the house.  Better for everyone to avoid that racket.

  Michele Neylon:what am I missing?

  Michele Neylon:+ Ken

  Michele Neylon:+1 Ken even

  Michele Neylon:we've already supported it

  Philip Corwin:Support comments being made--we operate by consensus, not unanimity

  Michele Neylon:and this kind of rubbish is why IG gives me such a headache

  Kristina Rosette:Is there any leader of any SO/AC/SG/Const in this group who HAS OBJECTED?  If not, we're done, as far as I'm concerned.

  Bladel::)

  Michele Neylon:Kristina - nope

  Michele Neylon:who is the policy council?

  Kristina Rosette:then we're done.

  Leon Sanchez:then why don't we just move forward?

  Michele Neylon:1414

  Kristina Rosette:suggest we "request" while making clear our expectation that our reqeust will be granted.

  Michele Neylon:14 minutes I could use to do something which generates revenue

  Ken Stubbs:I second marilyn motion

  Evan Leibovitch:Let's please get on with it.

  Greg Shatan:@Michele: policy counsel = GNSO Counsel; making point that the role of the GNSO Council to manage policy process, not to run the GNSO.

  Michele Neylon:ah ok

  Michele Neylon:talk about confusing

  Michele Neylon:I did it via the mailing list

  Joana Varon:is that it: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/CPMMB/pages/110788883/Cross-community+WG+Contribution+Draft

  Joana Varon:?

  Joana Varon:thanks

  Filiz Yilmaz:If we can have a draft ourselves, we can discuss and get wider feedback from the community on these at the SIngapore session.

  Evan Leibovitch:@ Marilyn... Maybe we take a stab at an "educated guess" strawman that can at least be used as a point of reference

  Filiz Yilmaz:Exactly, lets call this an "initial draft" and then finilize it after Singapore session...

  Bladel:and communicate clear benefits and outcomes.

  Filiz Yilmaz:I agree with Michele. We have decided to come up with a draft, so lets move on.

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:apologies. just joined chat.

  Aparna Sridhar:+1 for the pub

  Philip Corwin:This process can certainly drive one to drink ;-)

  Sarah Falvey - CRR:Agree with Michele

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:So, we can draft on this document. Can we have maybe one or two volunteers from each group on this drafting?

  Bladel:The problem with all this IG stuff is no one (except the bad guys) has a cldear idea of their desired outcome.  Without that, we are rudderless and just drifting....

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:I will help /

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:but recall that we can't define ICANN/the bylaws define ICANN.

  Aparna Sridhar:I am happy to volunteer with the drafting

  Kristina Rosette:Me too

  Bladel:The bylaws describe the ICANN Community, the articles would describe ICANN the entity.

  Evan Leibovitch:I can help. Just don't have the cycles to lead.

  Philip Corwin:I posted a proposed definition of ICANN to the mailing list that was the subject of some extensive discussion -- yet somehow it is not on the list of this document

  rafik:so we have michele, marylin, kirstina aparna , evan

  Evan Leibovitch:I've already indicated that I'm happy with Phil's definition

  Sarah Falvey - CRR:I volunteer as well

  rafik:+sarah

  Leon Sanchez:i volunteer for these

  Leon Sanchez:multilateral and msh

  Aparna Sridhar:sorry I think my mike isn't working

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:this group might think about if it is developing a new definition of ICANN, that any definition has to be put out to public comment, and thn involves bylaw changes. BUT, w can have a 'working definition', perhaps?

  Aparna Sridhar:I am happy to do multistakeholder model also

  Aparna Sridhar:That was the one for which I intended to volunteer

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:MS is not a singular item. there are many versions of MS/not only the ICANn model, and w need to understand that.

  Joana Varon:Ok!

  Leon Sanchez:i volunteer

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:I would like to see volunteers from Ry/RR.

  Filiz Yilmaz:@Marilyn, I do not think it is our mandate to define ICANN but we need to make it clear what we mean with ICANN or ICANN Community for the sake of this document.

  Leon Sanchez:my mic is off but want ti volunteer

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:Maybe we shoudl strive to have 1 per 'group' on these groups, as minimum.

  Leon Sanchez:on multilateral and msh

  Greg Shatan:The Policy and Implementation Working Group has spent the last 3 months  working on definitions of "ICANN" and other terms, at least for use within the WG.  We might be able to piggyback on that work, which is a work in progress....

  rafik:@greg can you please share this in the mailing list?

  Michele Neylon:sorry - which group is she talking about?

  Greg Shatan:@Rafik:  Happy to do so.

  Cintra Sooknanan:I take Marilyn's point

  Cintra Sooknanan:It would be great to demonstrate a wide range of engagement, representative of the cross community nature of this WG

  Filiz Yilmaz:Ok, so lets work with the volunteers. And all will review the text. Trying ot achive 1 volunteer form each group is not feasable.

  Evan Leibovitch:Sorry, need to step away for a minute or two

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:proposal: all who volunteer on specific group/welcomed. return all recommendations to fulll group. :-) that brings in the history and inclusiveness. Seems like a decision on how to proceed.

  Bladel:+1 Marilyn

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:CIR does need to be a separate item/but it is not ccTLD related.

  Filiz Yilmaz:That is a given of course. We are basically trying to create task force's to pen things down. Otherwise what we come up with is the work of the all the WG at the end, if agreed on, after iterations etc.

  Michele Neylon:ti's regional

  Michele Neylon:IANA - RIR - LIR

  Alexandra Dans:Critical Internet Resources

  Michele Neylon:We Blacknight are  a LIR

  Michele Neylon:RIPE is a RIR

  Filiz Yilmaz:There are also NIRs

  Filiz Yilmaz:National Internet Registries

  Michele Neylon:Filiz - example?

  Filiz Yilmaz:JPNIC

  Filiz Yilmaz:CNNIC

  Michele Neylon:ah yes

  Michele Neylon::)

  Filiz Yilmaz:None in RIPE NCC region, no :)

  Michele Neylon:Filiz - see that's all I care about most of the time :)

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:Critical Internet Resources

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:CIR is not only about RIRs, but much broader.

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:we need also participants from those who build and operate key parts of Internet.

  Evan Leibovitch:back

  Filiz Yilmaz:I volunteer Michele :)!

  Filiz Yilmaz:He is involved with RIPE

  Michele Neylon:Filiz - for?

  Filiz Yilmaz:CIR/NIR bit

  Filiz Yilmaz:RIR...

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:we might also volunteer Keith Drazek

  Filiz Yilmaz:Suuuure!

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:I will volunteer on bottom up/versus top down

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:I confess that is a passion as I helped to draft the initial documents that created ICANN, and that bottom up, consensus based thing was a core value.

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:Mariella?

  Michele Neylon:ok - but can you do a concise version of them?

  Fatima Cambronero:@Rafik, I am not sure if being observer can I be volunteer? Can you confirm please?

  rafik:@fatima you can

  Cintra Sooknanan:Rafik you can add me as well

  Fatima Cambronero:ok, I would like be volunterr to Infrastructure Principles

  Cintra Sooknanan:thank you

  Marilia Maciel:I would like to volunteer for infrastructure principles too

  Marilia Maciel:Since we seem to have great folks for multistakeholder bottom-up already ;)

  Greg Shatan:The Policy and Implementation WG  Definitions subgroup draft working definitions has been sent to the mailing list.

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:can we have a bit of time to consult in the four BC reps to put forward volunteers on topics we haven't covered?

  Hago Dafalla:I woudlike to volunteer in infrastructure principles too

  Ken Stubbs:have to break away a bit early. thanks

  Aparna Sridhar:I have to drop

  Aparna Sridhar:thanks everyone

  Bladel:Sorry folks, have a hard stop at the top of the hour.

  Greg Shatan:@Marilyn = Single unique root?

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:Perhaps we should revisit the Internet Ecosystem categories?

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:I am not for instance, understanding why this group would develop RS principles.

  Filiz Yilmaz:I agree, I think The Internet Ecosystem as a title tells me all these organziations, forums, groups etc, who take place in the int gove general anyways, ie who are the main actors and influencers. In that sense, we need IXPs there too for example.  

  Leon Sanchez:I need to leave. thanks everybody

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:Might we change this title to "Evolving the IG Ecosystem, and ICANN's role?

  Filiz Yilmaz:No objections.

  Marilia Maciel:Ok, and volunteer for it

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:excellent, Marilia! and now more...?

  Michele Neylon:sorry - in relation to what?

  Michele Neylon:not everyone is on the call anyway ..

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:participating in a discussion that is Evolving the IG Ecosystem, and ICANN's role

  Michele Neylon:Ok I have to drop off

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:this has to be open, as Michele noted...

  Filiz Yilmaz:Rafik I think I heard you said my name for this but I did not olunteer on this actually. I am happy to review what gets written by the initial volunteers tho.

  rafik:@filiz no worries, I didnt volunteer you :)

  Filiz Yilmaz:oh ok :). Thank you.

  Philip Corwin:Must depart/ciao

  Bart Boswinkel:Bye all

  Fatima Cambronero:thanks, bye

  Klaus Stoll:Bye

  Joana Varon:bye

  Marilia Maciel:Bye, thanks

  Marilyn Cade - CSG:thanks to Rafik for your leadership.

  Cintra Sooknanan:Thank you Rafik, have a great day everyone

  Cintra Sooknanan:bye

  Greg Shatan:Bye

  Hago Dafalla:bye

  Hago Dafalla:bye

  Filiz Yilmaz:bye