AC Chat: 2017-02-08 At-Large Review Working Party Call
- Yesim Saglam
- Aleksey Khapchenko
Yesim Nazlar:Welcome to the At-Large Review Working Party Call on Wednesday, 08 February 2017 at 21:00 UTC
Yesim Nazlar:Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/2grHBQ
Evin Erdogdu:Haha I am learning quickly ;)
Evin Erdogdu:Looking forward to meeting you all in ICANN58!
Aída Noblia:HI ALL
Aída Noblia:Hi all
Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hola
Heidi Ullrich:Vanda joining shortly
Leon Sanchez:G'day Cheryl!
Lars Hoffmann:@holly - the timeline was just sent to the LT not the full list yet. but i am happy to disseminate as you see fit.
vanda:hi all
Ariel Liang:Holly's document: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/0ArHBQ
John Laprise:Correction: I did not put it in Google docs but have put comments to the Google doc
John Laprise:Hmmm...anyone have a rule of thumb heuristic for how much time it takes for a new person to get up to speed to particiate effectively?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it does vary John, but it can be well more than 12mbfor minimal effective levels to be seen sometimes way more
vanda:I agree he can join at the final to understanding the issues
Lars Hoffmann:thank you, cheryl!
vanda:for me looks good
Andrei Kolesnikov:either way: 3D
Andrei Kolesnikov:3d column might be instrumental to keep tmp comments
Andrei Kolesnikov:gdocs works well
Maureen Hilyard:I like Google doc but it uses a lot of broadband which is expensive for me.
vanda:Cheryl is right
Eduardo Diaz:Then we should use the WIKI ONLY
Eduardo Diaz:otherwise will be messy and out of sync
Maureen Hilyard:People can use what they want to use.. I'll prbably use it too and hang the cost!!
Leon Sanchez:I hate to be THAT guy but do we realize we are 20 minutes in the call discussing process? :P
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):many WG's are using both now
Eduardo Diaz:It will make the work a LOT harder
vanda:yes let's keep with both and move on
Eduardo Diaz:@Leaon: it is important that get the input in the right place.
Leon Sanchez:I agree Ed, I was just kidding, hence the :P at the end ;-)
vanda:agree with ALAN to have well understood by ITEMS
Eduardo Diaz:We can cahnge this table to be a recomendation by recomendation then the whole thing can be compile into an ALAC statement somehow
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we could do but...
John Laprise:only 16 recs
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):you still are Tijani in the que Holly
Holly Raiche:@ John - we need to address findings and elements of the EMM as well
Andrei Kolesnikov:positive, based on facts, suggesting, reality checked solutions and clear stated "not an issue "
Heidi Ullrich:@All, the format of the ATLAS II recommendations might be useful - see: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_als2_Post-2BATLAS-2BII-2BImplementation-2B-2D-2BRecommendations&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=Ig24kF6DhFA2ZcXcbA-mUcyxEKbIemwnPOvx_rh1CmA&s=3sAf0yQ4TvP6RUebF0reM2b0JhF-n1YcjUSBqnYKgXk&e=
avri doria (observer):in the case of the GNSO review we spent a fair time analysing and commenting on the review before it went to the board. just saying. might be worth digging up that schedule to see what kind of time line GNSO took.
avri doria (observer):and this was after the fnial report was released.
vanda:I agree with AVRi and understood ALAN is also suggest it
Andrei Kolesnikov:Avri: sometime years :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes especially in terms of looking at Implementation @Avri
avri doria (observer):on the draft i would recommend focusing on getting it as correct as possible.
Maureen Hilyard:Do the topics in your document relate to ITEMS recommendations - can this be indicated if they do?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I am (not surprisingly) very supportive of that multi pronged approach now Tijani
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):good point @Maureen we can cross check to specific Recs as well ( another column or box
vanda:tijani point - I believe ITEMS have heard so complex statements among ralos and ALS that they in some way make reform proposing that may be helpful to analyze our behave but is not exactly a review report in my view
John Laprise:I'm not sure that we (as at large) even know what we agree upon with respect to the recommendations
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):very disturbing news out of Paris
Larisa Gurnick:To respond to Avri's suggestion about the GNSO Review Timeline, if the Workinng Party would like, staff can provide that timeline.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes much to discuss John at the RALOs and ALSes
Eduardo Diaz:I beleive this call is to talk about how we move forward in capturing all comments in one place and then putting something together that will have something that makes sense.. PArallel to this work we should put in place the strategy that Tijany mentioned.
vanda:Ed - yes we need to move on
Heidi Ullrich:@Holly, please state any Action Item clearly.
Eduardo Diaz:It will be messy having it in two places.
Alan Greenberg:I think that this is a good place to collect information. It may not be the best format to present in the PC.
Holly Raiche:@Ed - agreed - but not everyone is happy with one method. I will wear having two
Eduardo Diaz:@Allan: You mean teh WIKI?
Alan Greenberg:I mean the table.
Leon Sanchez:Could it be that we begin working on a google doc and then have Tijani's contribution added to that same doc? Just thinking on alternatives
Holly Raiche:@ Leon - Maureen also has a problem with caqpacity to the cook islands
Leon Sanchez:Understood @Holly
Eduardo Diaz:Then we should use the WIKI only. That is our main tool. Just so we are aware thatnot many people know how to edit the dociuemnt and add the comment in the right place.. Google excell in that. The other thing is to have peole put comments in the comment place but make sure that comments starts with the recommendation # ( we need to nuember them)
Eduardo Diaz:The link of the POST ATLASII that HEidi included in the chart is a good starting point.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we still have to try out bit not suggesting a house
Eduardo Diaz:We can tell RALOS and and ALS that the page is open it for comments. UNfortunatelly it will have to be in english only. No time to do it anyother way.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):GRRR house should be hold on Drafting
Maureen Hilyard:@holly.. if recommendations are what the Board will take note of then they have to be addressed with whether we agree or don't agree with them.. but as Tijani said if we don't agree then we must off solutions
Maureen Hilyard:offer solutions..
vanda:I am with Holly here. focus
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes parallel work flows
vanda:+ 1 cheryl
Holly Raiche:Thanks Ed
John Laprise:sounds like a good plan Alan...I'll take the same pledge on rec commenting
Heidi Ullrich:@All, could we set up a wiki page that sets out the recommendations and then Holly's headings?
Maureen Hilyard:@Heidi.. sounds good
Alan Greenberg:EMM *IS* part of the recs. It is Rec 3.
vanda:Yes Holly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):split chat... it was " we still need to try Outreach not suggesting a hold on Drafting and input collection.... was what was trying to be typed @Alan
Alan Greenberg:We have TWO WP meetings on Sat/Sun??
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):can we see the time line
Heidi Ullrich:@Alan, we have an ALAC meeting with ITEMs and then a public meeting set up by MSSI.
Heidi Ullrich:The WP meeting is later in the week
Alan Greenberg:Public meeting with MSSI on weekend?
Heidi Ullrich:yes, on Sunday
Heidi Ullrich:afternoon
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):if the last one is re Drafting for Pc response that is fine
Alan Greenberg:ok, I am totally lost.
Tom Maclenzie:Hello all - just joined the call
Tom Maclenzie:invited by ITEMS
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):what use is a public meeting on the Sun before meeting starts!
Tom Maclenzie:invited by Staff I mean
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hi Tom
vanda:there will be no public...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):exactly Vanda
Tom Maclenzie:Hi Cheryl, hi all
vanda:hi Tom
Heidi Ullrich:@All, staff is going to show the timeline in a moment
Alan Greenberg:A public workshop should be on weekday, not weekend. People who are there on weekends are already fully boooked and many nonAC/SO people do not show up until Monday.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):of course GNSO will end on time... and we will all rush from Council to our meeting but maybe GAC and others will be available as well... let's see it is what it is
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):WG
avri doria (observer):Larisa's group was great help in getting the review processed by the GNSO. i recommend you go for it.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):time for Tom
vanda:could be have at this public session people from NexGeneration + Fellows too
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):be good if we can Vanda
Holly Raiche:@ Vanda +1
vanda:we are try to convince thtem to join ICANN and debate an issue that touch them directly as end users is fundamental IMO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):this was not planned as a meeting to interact with ITEMS Tom we heard from Lars you requested to join us for the end of our call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Top of the hour has passed Ho
Eduardo Diaz:In moving forward, I recommend that staff extarcts all the recommendations from the ITEMs docuemnt and creates a table in the WIKI for all to comment.. Also staff should talk to Holly off-line to put together a timeline for taking the comments and creating the final ALAC statement. We can talk about the time line in the mailing list.
Holly Raiche:@ Maureen - that is exactly why I will acc the recommendations/findings/elements of the SMM - so people are aware of what was said - but I hope we have solutions as well
vanda:guess we are in agreemnt
Eduardo Diaz:Thnak you.
Leon Sanchez:thanks everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye for now
vanda:thank you Holly.. all
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:There is a way forward which is fine. Thanks all!
Aída Noblia:Thank you /