IOT Meeting #95 | 30 August 2022 @ 18 UTC

Attendees: 

Members:  David McAuley, Kristina Rosette, Kavouss Arasteh, Kurt Pritz, Malcolm Hutty, Mike Rodenbaugh, Susan Payne

Guests/Observers: Becky Burr, Kate Wallace, Liz Le

ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer

Apologies: Flip Petillion

** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to mssi-secretariat@icann.org **

Agenda:

1. Review agenda and updates to SOIs.
2. Review action items
   • SP – finalize rule 4 text and circulate for consensus 
3. Update on Standing Panel (DM).
4. Explanation of the proposed final text of Rule 4 (see separate email) and next steps
5. Review and discuss next steps on outstanding items on the IRP Interim Rules
6. Confirmation of next meetings:
   • ICANN75 – Closed IRP-IOT work session
     • 18 September at 4:30 PM - 5:30 PM (MYT)
   • Next Plenary TBA

Transcript:  PDF

Recording

• Audio Replay   
• Zoom Replay

Documents:  

• Discussion - Outstanding items on the IRP Supplementary Procedures.pdf

Zoom Chat Transcript:  

00:20:26    David McAuley (Verisign):    Congratulations, Susan
00:20:38    Mike Rodenbaugh:    and condolences
00:21:08    Kristina Rosette:    Congratulations, Susan!
00:30:55    Kristina Rosette:    Submitting my apologies now for missing the F2F work session on the 18th. (I've just done the time zone conversion for KL.)
00:32:35    Liz Le - ICANN Org:    Currently, none of the IRP CRG meetings are open meetings.
00:32:51    Susan Payne:    thanks Kristina, noted
00:32:53    Bernard Turcotte:    ICANN 75 IOT meeting - Sunday, September 18, 2022 4:30 PM - 5:30 PM (SGT) IRP-IOT Working Session [C] (Confirmed) Room: 306
00:33:36    David McAuley (Verisign):    That's great news, Bernie
00:33:47    Bernard Turcotte:    ;-)
00:38:21    Bernard Turcotte:    SGT -8 = UTC therefore 16:30 SGT = 8:30 UTC = 04:30 (AM) New York
00:43:41    Mike Rodenbaugh:    Malcolm, could you please state your opposition as to repose for the record of this call today, in a few sentences?  Or do that on the list again soon.  I hear your frustration probably share it…
00:44:18    Kristina Rosette:    +1 Mike. I think that would be very helpful.
00:44:44    Mike Rodenbaugh:    I questions the consensus designation also
00:46:19    Liz Le - ICANN Org:    Org supports your suggestion that members should be permitted to formally express their postion by 8 September.
01:06:15    Malcolm Hutty:    I'm afraid I need to go. I'm on annual leave today anyway, just needed to contribute on Rule 4.
01:09:56    Mike Rodenbaugh:    i led a small subteam and do not see our issues on these slides
01:12:13    Mike Rodenbaugh:    I have seen panel selection take 6 months
01:16:33    Mike Rodenbaugh:    the Bylaws call for “specially trained" panelists on the SP.  So I query who is doing that training and with what materials, and how long it will take.  Does this group engage on that topic?
01:20:20    Bernard Turcotte:    Time check - 25 minutes left in the call
01:20:28    David McAuley (Verisign):    I do think there is a role for subteams for some of this agenda list
01:24:00    David McAuley (Verisign):    I agree it is good to flag these items now
01:25:21    David McAuley (Verisign):    This non-response by ICANN is in bylaws but is very hard to imagine.
01:25:34    Mike Rodenbaugh:    extremely
01:25:41    Liz Le - ICANN Org:    Indeed
01:25:48    Mike Rodenbaugh:    and so they would default and lose… right?  what is the issue here??
01:25:58    Kristina Rosette:    Exactly, Mike.
01:26:12    David McAuley (Verisign):    Not lose for sure - panel still considers the matter
01:26:31    Mike Rodenbaugh:    sure, just like a default in court.  the judge would still have to make a ruling.
01:26:53    David McAuley (Verisign):    right - and a frivolous claim would still go down in flames
01:29:19    Bernard Turcotte:    correct
01:29:27    Mike Rodenbaugh:    ICANN will still respond
01:31:15    Mike Rodenbaugh:    "If ICANN fails to respond, then the Panel shall proceed to render judgment in due course.”
01:32:28    David McAuley (Verisign):    I'm still willing to be in this subgroup
01:33:36    David McAuley (Verisign):    it was, thanks Susan
01:35:42    Mike Rodenbaugh:    Appeals is a much more important issue.  That "clear error" standard is not in the bylaws
01:35:51    Liz Le - ICANN Org:    Org can draft suggested language for rules around ICANN non-response to an IRP filing
01:40:18    Kristina Rosette:    Agree with David.
01:43:53    David McAuley (Verisign):    we more than others are looking at bylaw 4.3 and I hope we make recommendations at the end of our work
01:44:31    Mike Rodenbaugh:    agree, strongly
01:44:42    Mike Rodenbaugh:    thx all, see you in KL
01:44:51    David McAuley (Verisign):    Thank you, Susan, Bernie, Brenda, and all