IOT Meeting #43 | 13 December 2018 @ 19:00 UTC
- Brenda Brewer
Attendees:
Sub-group Members: Avri Doria, Becky Burr, David McAuley, Kate Wallace, Leon Sanchez, Liz Le, Malcolm Hutty, Mike Rodenbaugh, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer
Apologies: /
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Agenda
- Admin/SOI.
- Address challenge to ICANN Legal participation.
- I plan to ask Bernie to review history of participation in the group.
- Wrap up work on Rule 4 – Time-for-Filing.
- Review draft letter to SO/AC leaders on the topic of adding new members to the IOT.
- Consider potential to ‘scrub’ inactive members from IOT list
- Consider scheduling organizational/substantive IOT meeting at ICANN 64 to help new members on-board and start to tackle remaining work following finalization of rules.
Transcript
Recording
Raw Caption Notes*
*Note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call
Decisions: None
Action Items:
- DM to draft a note to SOACs regarding issue of ICANN membership in the IOT and requesting more members be appointed for review by the IOT.
- Next Meeting: TBA
Requests: None
Documents Presents:
Chat Transcript:
Brenda Brewer: (12/13/2018 12:44) Good day all! Welcome to IRP-IOT Meeting #45 on 13 December 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.
Brenda Brewer: (12:44) Please note that this meeting will be recorded. When not speaking, kindly mute your phones by pressing *6. Press *6 to unmute. Thank you.
Bernard Turcotte: (12:55) hello all
David McAuley: (12:59) Hi all, I am #4154
David McAuley: (12:59) Hi Avri
Brenda Brewer: (13:00) Kavouss did not answer dial out.
David McAuley: (13:01) I will speak again about 3 minutes past
David McAuley: (13:01) give some time to gather
Samantha Eisner: (13:06) From ICANN legal, we'd like to contrbute to the discussion as well
Avri Doria: (13:08) it may make sense to give Sam/Legal, a the target of the issue, a chance to repsond before we go into general discussion.
David McAuley: (13:08) ok, happy to do that
David McAuley: (13:14) who is #6367
Becky Burr: (13:15) Becky is 6467
Becky Burr: (13:15) 6367
David McAuley: (13:15) thanks
Brenda Brewer: (13:17) Leon Sanchez joins on audio only.
Avri Doria: (13:17) Malcolm your voice is very muffled.
Avri Doria: (13:17) i can hear fine
Bernard Turcotte: (13:18) Sam is good Malcolm is a little muffled
Bernard Turcotte: (13:18) for me
David McAuley: (13:21) Brenda, any lucj dialing out to Kavouss
David McAuley: (13:21) luck
Brenda Brewer: (13:23) @ David, I have not tried redialing Kavouss. I have sent him an email asking if he wishes to join. The dialout was a courtesy.
David McAuley: (13:23) ok thanks -
Avri Doria: (13:24) In all multistakeholder governance groups i particpate in, ICANN is part of the global Internet community.
Malcolm Hutty: (13:27) In reply to Sam, I would like to point out that there is no challenge to ICANN Legal's participation in respect of providing experience, interpretation etc, all of which is entirely valid and desirable staff support; the challenge only relates to taking a part in decision-making and pushing its own view of the balance of expediency, with is a very different matter
Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:29) +1
Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:29) same goes for iews of ICANN Board members
Bernard Turcotte: (13:29) Time check - 30 minutes left
Malcolm Hutty: (13:29) In reply to David saying that original decision was Becky's, and sustained by him when he took over, yes, I accept that would be correct and stand corrected. My apologies
Samantha Eisner: (13:32) What are examples where ICANN participants have overriden consensus?
Samantha Eisner: (13:32) Also, from my experience, I have never assumed that a voice of ICANN should count more than once, if at all?
Bernard Turcotte: (13:34) Was never expected that ICANN would count as more that one participant
Robin Gross: (13:35) Is this intent documented somewhere?
Malcolm Hutty: (13:35) Avri, if it was intentional, why does the Bylaw say otherwise?
Malcolm Hutty: (13:36) Surely the bylaw should override any purported intention?
Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:38) SO/AC consultation should have happened before the Interim Rules were defined
Bernard Turcotte: (13:39) @David - correct
Becky Burr: (13:40) @Mike, they were consulted, but at this point very few members of the originally constituted group continue to participate. This is a critical function that needs robust participation from across the stakeholder spectrum
Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:40) public comment is not the same as formal consultation
Becky Burr: (13:41) I don't really recall have any conversation about votes, one, two, or any other number
Robin Gross: (13:42) the CCWG Accountability Charter gave birth to this group,. Until another charter comes along and replaces it, that charter governs. If there is documentation otherwise, it should be presented and put an end to the issue.
Samantha Eisner: (13:42) In my conversations with ICANN org support staff, I never allow ICANN legal participants to be counted as more than a single participant for quorum count
Avri Doria: (13:46) i hope this reconstitution process does not gate continuing to work on the pending issues.
Samantha Eisner: (13:49) Isn't that a braoder issue of skills and inputs needed to the group?
Becky Burr: (13:50) I think the Bylaw means that ICANN creates a group in consultation with SO/ACs, doesn't it?
Bernard Turcotte: (13:50) time check 10 minutes left in call
Becky Burr: (13:50) The IRP could ask for more members and ICANN could initiate a consultation
Becky Burr: (13:51) IRP IOT could ask for more members
Robin Gross: (13:52) This group should operate in accordance with its governing documents. What does that say? I quoted the charter under which it was created.
Robin Gross: (13:52) Is there something else? what does our governing documents say?
Becky Burr: (13:54) no, that's a problem Robin, we don't have a charter
Malcolm Hutty: (13:55) We have the Bylaw. That can't be disputed
Becky Burr: (13:55) the bylaw is the only thing we are operating under
David McAuley: (13:55) i agree w Malcolm bylaw is top document for us
Robin Gross: (13:57) We need some operating procedures
Becky Burr: (13:57) agree Robin, which is why I would support a broader consultation with the community
Malcolm Hutty: (13:57) Don't we also inherit the CCWG charter as it was our parent body? Not in conflict with the bylaws, obviously, but to supplement and interpret it?
Robin Gross: (14:01) thanks, David, and all. Bye!
Malcolm Hutty: (14:01) Thank you all
Bernard Turcotte: (14:01) bye all - happy holidays
Brenda Brewer: (14:04) Meeting Adjourned @ 2:03 PM/CT.