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Transparency Meeting #13 (10 October @ 19:00 UTC)

Transparency Meeting #13 (10 October @ 19:00 UTC)

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Last updated: Oct 12, 2017 by Brenda Brewer

Attendees:

Sub-group members: Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Herb Waye, Michael Karanicolas, Richardo Holmquist, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner

Observers and guests:   

ICANN organization:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer

Apologies:  Julf Helsingius

** If your name is missing from the attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **

Transcript

Recording

Agenda

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Raw Captioning Notes  

(Please note:  These are the unofficial transcripts. Official transcripts will be posted 2-3 days after the call)

Documents Presented 

Decisions:

  • Final recommendations with suggested edits, with the exception of recommendation 15, are accepted.
  • MK should schedule a call with ICANN Legal to discuss recommendation 15 further. If no agreement can be reached at this next call it will be removed. Regardless of the result the recommendations will be forwarded to the plenary, with or without recommendation 15, for final approval. It is expected that the changes made from the previous version of the document which went to public consultation are not significant enough that the plenary will require a second public consultation.

Action Items:

  • MK to schedule a call with ICANN Legal to discuss recommendation 15.

Requests:

  • (none)

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (10/10/2017 13:04) Good day and welcome to WS2 Transparency Subgroup Meeting #13 on 10 October 2017 @ 19:00 UTC.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:05) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:05) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please  state your name before speaking and speak slowly.  Thank you!

  Michael Karanicolas: (13:57) Hi all

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:57) HELLO ALL

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:58) hear you

  Ricardo Holmquist: (13:58) Good day everyone

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) Yeah

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:58) did anyone hear my audio?

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (13:58) Hi everyone

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:59) hey Herb

  Brenda Brewer: (13:59) Try again please, Cheryl

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:59) just did

  Brenda Brewer: (13:59) broken, but you could be heard

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:59) sigh ok bandwidth demons

  Brenda Brewer: (13:59) dial out is in progress for you CLO

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:00) no

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:00) still no line into house not going to the office at this hour

  David McAuley: (14:00) I am #4154

  David McAuley: (14:00) Hello all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:01) hi David

  Michael Karanicolas: (14:01) Can we bring up the same doc as last time? The main doc, not the one with just the three rec's

  David McAuley: (14:01) Good evening (?) CLO

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:01) 0600 David

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:01) morning

  David McAuley: (14:01) woops, top of the mornin

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:02) though still dark as we have just started DST

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:02) 😎

  David McAuley: (14:02) we here (DC area) plunging into Fall but hot as heck here

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:02) keep hydrated

  David McAuley: (14:03) good idea

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:03) been a VERY warm fall here in Quebec

  David McAuley: (14:03) Hockey started in these roasting hot days

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:03) Bernie you should have at least a few feet of snow by now

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:03) not going to say anything about global

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:03) warming

  David McAuley: (14:04) I won't say anything eithere being here in DC area

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:04) what page are we starting on?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:05) yes

  Michael Karanicolas: (14:11) Where material subject to a DIDP request could potentially be withheld under attorney-client privilege, ICANN should review the material to determine whether any parts of the information are appropriate for release, including the scope of a potential waiver of the attorney-client privilege.  

  Robin Gross: (14:14) Of course we must have guidelines or we aren't really doing anything here.

  Samantha Eisner: (14:15) Here is the current language that is in the existing DIDP: Information subject to the attorney– client, attorney work product privilege, or any other applicable privilege, or disclosure of which might prejudice any internal, governmental, or legal investigation.

  David McAuley: (14:18) ok, just a suggestion

  Robin Gross: (14:19) I haven't heard any argument against recommendations for good practice.

  Robin Gross: (14:19) No good argument, that is.

  Robin Gross: (14:21) Guidelines are not hard lines.  ICANN retains enormous wiggle room.

  Robin Gross: (14:24) Guidelines allow the community to play a role while ICANN still has discretion.  Without guidelines, the community doesn't have any say on transparency at ICANN.

  Robin Gross: (14:26) We have to balance legimitate attorney-client privilege and the public's right to know how it is being governed.

  Robin Gross: (14:28) When NCSG filed a DIDP requesting materials that went into the staff's decision to create TM+50, we got a attorney-client privilege response for not telling us on what basis ICANN is creating policies)

  David McAuley: (14:29) With respect to a problem statement, I don't recall in WS1 developing a problem around atty-client priv. I think this is a general new look at transparency, but perhaps memory fails me.

  Robin Gross: (14:29) Our job is to improve transparency at ICANN.  One of the ways transparency is avoided is via atty-client privilege.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:30) the ATRT3 option for the detailed work does appeal to me

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:33) Time check 27 minutes left in call

  David McAuley: (14:34) Anything John and Michael agreed would surely be ok with me - maybe one more call is a good idea, thanks Sam

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:35) good plan for this week

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:35) October 11 - tomorrow

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:35) 2359 UTC

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:35) CORRECT

  Samantha Eisner: (14:36) I think that there are many parts of the report that are ready to go, setting this issue on privilege aside

  David McAuley: (14:36) I agree with Micahel on this, about 2d public comment period that is

  David McAuley: (14:37) Michael, that is

  Samantha Eisner: (14:39) I'd recommend proceeding with the report and bracketing this one recommendation for further updating

  Samantha Eisner: (14:39) so as not to hold back the entirety of the report for this one issue

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:39) becasue of the timeline we cannot really do that Sam

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:40) Final text - if going for public consultation - has to have final text for plenary to approve for it to go to public consultation

  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:41) this is the same document of the last meeting?

  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:41) ty Michael

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:45) Time check 15 minutes left on call - and yes speak a little more slowly please

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:46) yes

  David McAuley: (14:46) it is

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:49) good progress

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:50) bye 👋 thanks everyone

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:50) all the best everyone

  David McAuley: (14:50) sounds slike a plan

  avri doria: (14:50) bye

  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:50) Ty Michael! good day to all

  David McAuley: (14:50) good bye

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:50) all good - bye all