Sub-group members: Alan Greenberg, Avri Doria, Barbara Wanner, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chris Wilson, David McAuley, Herb Waye, Jorge Gonzalez, Michael Karanicolas, Philip Corwin, Robin Gross, Wale Bakare   (12)

Observers and guests:

Staff:  Karen Mulberry, Larisa Gurnick, Nathalie Vergnolle, Tristana Webster, Yvette Guigneaux

** If your name is missing from the attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **

Transcript

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Recording

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Agenda

1. Roll Call

2. Welcome - Opening Remarks

3. Discussion of ICANN CCWG – Transparency Report WS2 - DRAFT

4. AOB

Notes

1. Roll Call

Roll call taken from the AC room.

 2. Welcome - Opening Remarks 

Michael: 

• Sending clean version to the group now so everyone has a clean version to look at.
• Summary & introduction were trimmed down
• Footnote was added to the background section
• Clarification to the kind of requesters
• Timeline has been shifted
• Incomplete sentences on page 10 were completed
• Taking suggestions/comments on this newest draft

3. Discussion of ICANN CCWG – Transparency Report WS2 - DRAFT

 David McAuley expressed several concerns (see transcripts for details)

Edits made by Michael on the fly per discussion

 Discussed footnote 3 on human rights:

• Alan Greenberg: if there are overlaps with the Human Rights group, we should resolve with that subgroup.
• David: I think we should leave it to the Human Rights group, and if there are topics overlapping, wait until the HR group is done to discuss with them.
• Philip Corwin: Agree with Alan that, irrespective of human rights status of information disclosure, what we must determine is the degree of required disclosure and the process relating thereto to further the goal of tranparency in service to ICANN accountability.
• Footnote revised by Michael.

About Treating ICANN as a governance:

• Robin Gross: ICANN engages in global governance, no matter what it is called, so I think it is important to recognize the higher standard of transparency required of governments and adopt that standard.
• David McAuley (RySG): I am happy to wait for ICANN's reply in this respect

Discussed Public interest override:

• Michael: That is an existing provision, not something new
• David: I was not aware of that, where is it?
• Michael reads existing provision
• Alan Greenberg: how do we define what is global public interest? the AoI provide a definition, and the bylaws refer to public interest too. Public interest cannot always be determined by a bottom-up process.
• Michael: suggests leaving this out
• Chris Wilson: this is a pre-existing notion, I would agree to leave it out.
• Alan: we just need to confirm we don't have a gaping hole in front of us
• Adding a footnote to ensure there is no confusion.

Suggestion to bring this for 1st reading to CCWG plenary.

• Will include note that subgroup is waiting to hear back from ICANN on the topic raised in today's call.
• Michael will send revised draft prior to next CCWG plenary, and will present it for 1st reading to the CCWG Plenary on Jan 11.

4. AOB

Action items

Documents shared on call

CCWG_WS2_Transp Report Draft2_Clean.pdf

Chat 

  Yvette Guigneaux: (1/6/2017 08:13) Welcome all to the Transparency Subgroup Meeting #7  |  6 January @ 19:00 UTC!

  Yvette Guigneaux: (08:14) Please kindly mute your phones if you are not speaking - to unmute, use *6  (star 6)

   Chris Wilson: (10:58) I am x 6514

  Barbara Wanner: (10:59) Nathalie, I am 202-617-3155 Thanks!

  Yvette Guigneaux: (10:59) hi Chris, thank you!

  Yvette Guigneaux: (10:59) thanks Barbara

  David McAuley (RySG): (10:59) Hi Yvette, I am 4154

  Yvette Guigneaux: (10:59) Hi David,  thank you!

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:01) scolling available if needed

  Herb Waye mbuds: (11:04) Hello all, Adobe won't let me correct my name but I am also the Ombudsman not just the mbuds

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:05) Understood Herb, let me see what i can do on my end

  Herb Waye mbuds: (11:05) :-) don't worry about it

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:05) there you go

  Robin Gross: (11:08) ICANN engages in global governance, no matter what it is called, so I think it is important to recognize the higher standard of transparency required of governments and adopt that standard.

  Chris Wilson: (11:22) Agree w/ Alan.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:22) yup

  Chris Wilson: (11:24) we can go to the transcript! :)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:24) indeed Chris

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:24) thank God these meetings are recorded  =)

  Philip Corwin: (11:26) Agree with Alan that, irrespective of human rights status of information disclosure, what we must determine is the degree of required disclosure and the process relating thereto to further the goal of tranparency in service to ICANN accountability.

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:27) I could live with what Alan just said

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:27) record that

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:27) not conditioned on being an HR

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:29) I am happy to wait for ICANN's reply in this respect

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:36) i'll read one

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:36) Page 8 - on screen

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:38) very complex issue

  Wale Bakare: (11:43) Hi all, sorry for joining late, problem with internet in my area

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:44) hi Wale - welcome and good day, there was some background noise on the line so it was muted - if you would like to speak, just press *6 (star 6)  and do so

  Wale Bakare: (11:45) Thanks Yvette

  Yvette Guigneaux: (11:45) you're welcome

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:46) footnote makes sense

  avri doria: (11:46) apologies for extreme lateness, was getting daughter off to her flight back to school.

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:48) thanks

  Chris Wilson: (11:49) thanks all!

  David McAuley (RySG): (11:49) ok, thanks all

  Robin Gross: (11:49) Thanks, Michael and all.  Bye!

  Michael Karanicolas: (11:49) Thanks!!!

  Herb Waye Ombudsman: (11:49) Bye all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (11:50) bye thanks everyone