Judith Hellerstein:Hi Olivier
rafik:hello
Judith Hellerstein:HI Rafik
rafik:olivier in stereo
PeterDT:Hello everyone
Judith Hellerstein:Yes. He had started out using his phone as he had no access to his laptop and then forgot to disconnect
Renate De Wulf:Hello, could everyone go on mute please?
PeterDT:Olivier - children are delightful - make no apology!
Bill Drake:every time there are babies these days
Marilia Maciel:Hahaha, cute Olivier!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/e4c0Aw
Judith Hellerstein:Do we know when the sessions are going to be held
Renate De Wulf:@Judith, the agenda has not yet been released so no confirmation yet
Judith Hellerstein:Do we have any draft dates for these?
Renate De Wulf:Monday for the Public Sessoin
Renate De Wulf:and Wednesday for the F2F
Judith Hellerstein:just trying to make sure I do not have any conflicts
PeterDT:"Summer"? sorry to be a pedant, but its winter in much of the world...
Judith Hellerstein:Do we have a draft time?
Renate De Wulf:17:30 for the F2F session
Renate De Wulf:need to look up the IG Public Session - BRB
Judith Hellerstein:I think it was 5:30pm
Renate De Wulf:@Judith, yes I believe it is also 17:30
Judith Hellerstein:Just looked it up and the draft time I have was 18:15-19:30
Marilia Maciel:Completely agree with the idea of the background paper
Bill Drake:Public session to work on a position?
Lynn St.Amour:Me as well.
Lynn St.Amour:very helpful
Judith Hellerstein:yes a background paper is always very helpful
Renate De Wulf:@Judith, OK - I think NIgel was trying to change it to an earlier time but we will only know once the schedule comes out
Judith Hellerstein:great
Marilia Maciel:A lot of work has been done on the factuals by Nigel already. He could put things together and send to the list for suggestions before publication.
Marilia Maciel:Yes
Judith Hellerstein:no
PeterDT:exactly Marilia - not trying to create burdens for staff
Judith Hellerstein:no for net mundial
Bill Drake:I addressed on the list
Bill Drake:I thought you wanted to go through list comments...?
Judith Hellerstein:@renate I think the problem was that the CCWG Accountablity was from 16:45-18:00 on monday
Marilia Maciel:I think updates on NMI would be useful since ICANN is very involve
Renate De Wulf:@Judith, understood
Judith Hellerstein:I agree with peter dengate thrush
Judith Hellerstein:prority should be the cstd, wsis +10
PeterDT:I think its a matter of our priorities_ UNGA should be covered first
Lynn St.Amour:could we use NMI as an "case study" of how things like this should be done within ICANN?
Vicky Sheckler:agree NMI should not be on the list fo rnow
Lynn St.Amour:would that then give us some idea of how to develop a position within ICANN on NMI?
Lynn St.Amour:or is it too late?
Marilia Maciel:I think NMI should be part of the background update of the current scenario. Regarding the potential common position, that would be regarding WSIS+10
Bill Drake:Is the question mark whether to talk about the NMI or whether to have a statement about it. I thought the latter
Bill Drake:90
Judith Hellerstein:the current schedule is for 75 minutes on the public session
Bill Drake:the public session is 90
Bill Drake:see the block schedule
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Bill: thanks!
Renate De Wulf:Thanks Bill
Judith Hellerstein:Thanks the block copy I had listed it just for 75 minutes
Bill Drake:what the chairs were sent says 17:30-19:00
Judith Hellerstein:Great because the block schedule I had listed it from 18:15-19:30 after the CCWG Accountability sessions so glad it was changed
PeterDT:Bill - sounds good.
Bill Drake:the scheduling evolves, sometimes it's hard to know what's newest
Judith Hellerstein:Great as the prelim schedule on the web still has the public session at 18:15
Judith Hellerstein:17:30 is a much better time
Bill Drake:who knows when that was posted...
Bill Drake:confusing
Bill Drake:Olivier my comment was if we only do one topic it will be hard, not 2-3
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok
Bill Drake:we do need to clarify which of the schedules is the most current....
Judith Hellerstein:Seems like a good idea to include wsis forum
Marilia Maciel:Olivier, I believe there are two different things: one is NMI as an update in the "setting the scene" part of the session. This would be important in my opinion. Another thing is to try to achieve a common position and make a common contribution. This later option could take too much time.
Marilia Maciel:I would like to have clarity about what we are talking about
PeterDT:Agreed Marilia - NMI should be in the paper, as part of the background /tapestry of global relationships
Lynn St.Amour:agree with Marilia's comment above. and would add that achieving an ICANN Position on NMI is going to be sensitive/difficult
Young eum Lee:Apologize for joining a bit late.
Lynn St.Amour:@BIll, I do think it could be difficult if only focused on WSIS +10.
Bill Drake:you are again conflating two separate things Olivier
PeterDT:Good chairingof the meeting should alow us to settle an ICANN position on WSIS+10, then allow further converstion on other topics, including NMI
Judith Hellerstein:Also since we are not sure whether we have a 75 or 90 minutes for the session
Lynn St.Amour:@Bill - +1
Judith Hellerstein:@PeterDT +1
Bill Drake:Peter you are talking about the working session then, right? not the big public thing
Lynn St.Amour:should this group advocate for the the CEO/ICANN Board to have a publis session on NMI- not this group?
Bill Drake:so we are now discussing again the adoption of text in the second meeting rather than what we'd talk about in the first
Young eum Lee:Although I agree with Marilyn, I agree with Bill that NMI should be a topic that we could discuss during our session.
PeterDT:Bill- both a linked - a first session on information and scene setting; isolating one or two issues then a second session on text
Bill Drake:right Peter, that's what I'd have thought. But we should now be on the first...
Young eum Lee:I apologize for not being able to speak.
Judith Hellerstein:+1 Lynne
Renate De Wulf:@Young-eum, would you like the operator to dial you into the call?
Young eum Lee:In
Bill Drake:Lynn, it might interest you to know that the CEO has been largely invisible in what you characterize as a CEO-led initiative
Bill Drake:most of the work has been done by civil society and few others
Young eum Lee:I also agree with Lynn also. Also agree with Peter that the 'position' regarding NMI should be acedl
Young eum Lee:placed within ICANN
Lynn St.Amour:@Bill - how can you say that given his very visible advocacy and support for it.
Bill Drake:because I'm involved
Bill Drake:he has not participated at all in any of the work shaping the terms of reference or other stuff
Lynn St.Amour:he may not be speaking as much now, but it is no less his support/presence behind it . Nearly every speech he makes references teh assumption he uses to advocate for NMI.
PeterDT:Bill - hee seemed involved in the discussions I watched of the first council meeting?
Bill Drake:that was just the physical meeting
PeterDT:I didnt watch it all...
Bill Drake:we have multiple weekly calls etc just like any icann process
Lynn St.Amour:I also follow them remotely eben though I am not "there" Bill.
Bill Drake:I say again, no involvement whatsoever in draftng the terms of reference
Bill Drake:and we don't spend our time talking about any one person
PeterDT:Mine is hardly a "new face"!!!
Lynn St.Amour:I would not like to moderate - still too ISOC related "-)
Judith Hellerstein:it is a new face at CCWG
Lynn St.Amour:+1 to Peter
Judith Hellerstein:+1 peter
Bill Drake:+1 Peter
Lynn St.Amour:@Bill - me thinks you are protesting too hard :-)
Young eum Lee:I strongly support Bill as the facilitator.
Bill Drake:Lynn, it's just a bit wearying hearing insistant statements characterizing somethign I'm involved in in ways nobody involved would recognize to be accurate. But I'm not especially worked up about it.
Vicky Sheckler:Olivier - background paper or position paper, and if position paper, on WSIS+10 or NMI? I don't think we'll reach consensus on NMI
Bill Drake:I don't understand what we have agreed about the public session agenda.
Bill Drake:Vicky I think the idea was a staff overview of there's this going on there's that going on, no?
Judith Hellerstein:I think this is a good place to work on drafting statements
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Vicky: we'll leave NMI at the end and if no consensus then we'll be able to schedule a future discussion on NMIpost BA
Bill Drake:I cannot begin to understand how the public session would do anything about a statement
Lynn St.Amour:@Bill, then the NMI council and others in the employ of NMI should work to get more up to date information out.
Bill Drake:the CCWIG session sure
Judith Hellerstein:@Bill. That was what I was saying
Bill Drake:@Lynn like a press release saying Fadi's not here?
Lynn St.Amour:of course not -
Bill Drake:I was kidding
Bill Drake:but seriously, there are 20 people
Bill Drake:separate from the three groups that provided the boot up and the bit of staff support
Lynn St.Amour:he will always be in the fabric of NMI :-). He started it, strongly advocated for it, funded(partially?) it and continued to advocate it for quite awhile
Bill Drake:ITU Council? Do we have a position on whether ITU should have a new building and more FTEs?
Bill Drake:Wolfgang is orders of magnitude more in the fabric
PeterDT:Thanks Olivier - agreed
Judith Hellerstein:There is a wsis implementation group within the itu council
Judith Hellerstein:perhaps that is what he was thinking about
PeterDT:Bill - TU has this WG...Council Working Group on International Internet-related Public Policy Issues
Lynn St.Amour:and many folks in this WG WOULD have to go back to their communities..
Lynn St.Amour:requiring even more time.
PeterDT:ITs ToR :Identify, study and develop matters related to international Internet-related public policy issues, and including those issues identified in Council Resolution 1305 (2009).
Lynn St.Amour:@PDT, would you say NMI was a given? that it will find adequate funds and support?
Lynn St.Amour:honest question..
PeterDT:@Lynn- I dont know yet- not sure how it would continue if ICANN withdrew support
Vicky Sheckler:my apologies, but I need to run. Please note we would need to go back to my constituency, IPC, for any statement
Lynn St.Amour:and that is one of the reasons I think the ICNN commuity developing a position on NMI will be difficult to "manage" intyernal to ICANN and external ,. IT will impact the INternet ecosystem overall
Bill Drake:@Peter: The ITU Council WG is pretty much adrift
Lynn St.Amour:@Marilia, I agree an update would be very good.
Judith Hellerstein:@marilla. I like how you have laid this out with a quick update of nmit
Bill Drake:but my main point is, if we want to highlight to the community that these different things exist etc great but we can't expect a lot of drill down discussion of meetings for which the documents aren't even public
PeterDT:Yes - a fact based dscription about NMI and ICANN involvement should be in the Paper
Bill Drake:CSTD still hasn't released the statement they spent a week disagreeing about!
Judith Hellerstein:*nmi at the end just as we are giving updates on other area
Young eum Lee 2:I agree with Marilia that WSIS is more important than Netmundial. I also think that we cannot just discuss Netmundial without reference to the Netmundial Initiative.
PeterDT:+1 Young eum
Bill Drake:the chairs for the F2F?
Judith Hellerstein:I think that WSIS events that lead up to the high level meeting are very important
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Bill: we can work out the chairs for the F2F next week
Judith Hellerstein:and should be a priority for this meeting
Bill Drake:@Young eum: agree WSIS10 more important this year. having trouble imagining the inclusive large-N discussion of it though
Bill Drake:would definitely need a good background report to get people into the game
Young eum Lee 2:@Bill: Just mentioning that although Netmundial is more generally accepted, if we are going to discuss Netmundial, we cannot just ignore the NMI.
Bill Drake:Nigel's statement was boffo
Bill Drake:we have one
Bill Drake:?
PeterDT:I am going to be at WSIS Forum
Bill Drake:http://www.itu.int/net4/wsis/forum/2015/Agenda/Session/269
Lynn St.Amour:I will be at WSIS Forum also but only thru WEdnesday
Marilia Maciel:Bill, where the ranking can be found?
Bill Drake:MAG publc
PeterDT:MM I don't think theyre published yet - and may not be
Judith Hellerstein:Do you have the url?
Bill Drake:check the skype channel Marilia
Young eum Lee 2:thanks everyone
Marilia Maciel:Thanks
Marilia Maciel:Thanks everybody
Lynn St.Amour:yes, please
Lynn St.Amour:very difficult
PeterDT:<<prefer Monday or Tuesday
Lynn St.Amour:on Wed - Fri
Lynn St.Amour:lots of IGF and IGF WG meetings that period
Lynn St.Amour:@BIll, I will go "dry" :-)
Lynn St.Amour:so as not to offend you :-)
PeterDT:@Lynn :-)
Judith Hellerstein:@ lynn :-)
PeterDT:Thanks Chair
PeterDT:Thanks all
Bill Drake:truly, drink, don't, all good :-)
Alexandra Dans:thanks!
Judith Hellerstein:bye all
Marilia Maciel:Bye bye all!
Lynn St.Amour:@Bill - thanks for everything'
Greg Shatan:Bye all!
Judith Hellerstein:By bill