Transcript

Recording

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Proposed Agenda

1. Welcome and roll call

2. Review of action items

3. Review of SO/AC and Staff draft proposals 4. Discussion on diversity

5. AOB

Documents presented

SOAC_accountability_draft_proposal_V0.pdf

Staff_accountability_draft_proposal_V0.pdf

Notes

Chat transcript

  Kimberly Carlson: (7/9/2015 23:17) Welcome to WP3 Meeting #3 on 10 July!  Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards 

  Kimberly Carlson: (23:58) Hello, Everyone

  CLO: (7/10/2015 00:00) hi

  Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (00:00) Hi all!

  Pam Little: (00:03) That was the staff group with two in it?

  Greg Shatan: (00:03) I thought it was the staff accountability group that only had 2

  Alice Jansen: (00:03) https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Staff+accountability

  Alice Jansen: (00:03) correct :-)

  Greg Shatan: (00:04) We are of course not referring to policy staff.  :-)

  Greg Shatan: (00:05) At least, not much....

  Alice Jansen: (00:11) https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53782997/summary%20-%20SO%20and%20AC%20current%20acct%20mechanisms.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1435917127000&api=v2

  Alice Jansen: (00:11) here is the document

  Jan Scholte: (00:18) thanks Alice. I remember it now. Still waking up!

  Avri Doria: (00:22) ICANN always speaks of the ombudsman as one of the accountabilty strutures

  Avri Doria: (00:23) nd the role can be augmented to be a ,e.g.,  necessary precursor to SOAC IRP cases.

  Avri Doria: (00:23) the issue with organizationl review is how significant are they in a member model?

  Greg Shatan: (00:24) I don't think the member model changes their significance at all.

  Avri Doria: (00:24) i do, the Board is not oversight for the ACSO anymore in a member model as they are boss to the board.

  Greg Shatan: (00:25) If we adopt a member model, the "members" will be dormant unless and until an issue arises that requires action as members.

  Avri Doria: (00:26) yes to a goodle doc

  Avri Doria: (00:26) google doc

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:26) fine with either

  Greg Shatan: (00:26) doodle poll  + google doc =  goodle doc?

  Avri Doria: (00:27) ( :

  Avri Doria: (00:28) i find word doc to be much less collaborative.  though with google docs, sometimes some people need to use the word doc that can alsayws be export and rely on staff or others to indsert their changes in google docs.

  Avri Doria: (00:29) pardon, my typoing is much worse this hour.

  Pam Little: (00:31) I believe there are some recommendations from the AOC Whois Policy Review team relating to staff.

  Sébastien (ALAC): (00:37) I can't talk sorry

  Sébastien (ALAC): (00:37) I am in a house with people sleeping

  Sébastien (ALAC): (00:37) it 1:37 am :(

  Sébastien (ALAC): (00:39) And we have comments from Mathieu (AFNIC)

  Sébastien (ALAC): (00:40) About diversity

  Avri Doria: (00:43) diversity is not divorced from expertise. for a set of expertise to be complete, it must invlcude diverse perspectives. 

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:45) It could be an endless cycle of diversity concerns that don't substantically increase overal expertise. It would be very case by case I think.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:46) Sometimes gender diversity would provide a grater enhancement of expertise than geographic diversity.

  Avri Doria: (00:47) gender diversity is as importnat as any other diversity. 50% of every group is a good goal.

  Alice Jansen: (00:47) Please mute line if not speaking

  Alice Jansen: (00:47) echo..

  Greg Shatan: (00:47) We have to be careufl about creating quotas.

  Greg Shatan: (00:47) Jan  -- your line is open.

  Avri Doria: (00:48) goal does not eqal quota.

  Greg Shatan: (00:48) And we need to be careful it does not.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:49) agree NO quotas. No dogma but a requirement to consider whether sufficient viewpoints are present for a specific discussion.

  Avri Doria: (00:49) diversity also includes turnover of representatives and avoiding having people move from role to role without ever going back into non leader status.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:50) Greg is our living breathing example of IPC diversity!

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:52) oh god, not them!

  Pam Little: (00:52) The GNSO Review Draft Report says: geographic diversity is not a proxy for cultural diversity.

  Greg Shatan: (00:54) Let's all learn machine language.

  Leon Sanchez: (00:54) +1 Greg!

  Alan Greenberg: (00:57) Whenever we talk about disabilities, I am reminded that until not so long ago, those with "disabilities" were not eligible to become a British Subject (or Canadian, or Australian...). Disability was defined to mean (and this is a cut/paste) being a married woman, or a minor, lunatic, or idiot.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (00:58) Language and just how obtuse the process is the greatest barrier to entry. Until we address the notion of periodic participation, we won't see large changes in the rolls of volunteers

  Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (00:59) +1 Jan

  Leon Sanchez: (00:59) @Jan I think your mic remains open

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (01:00) CLO,Avri and Robin are already carrying too much of a burden!

  Avri Doria: (01:03) Jonathan, what does it mean to declare someone is carrying too much of a burden?

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (01:04) Just a joke about having to participate in every single WG so they wouldn't just be white men, that's all

  Alan Greenberg: (01:05) But I will note they are white women...

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (01:05) Yeah, yeah

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (01:05) Have we reached some consensus on this within our group?

  Avri Doria: (01:05) someone of us have already been declared overloaded.  how could we possibly volunteer for anything else?

  Sébastien (ALAC): (01:06) But I will not be in the next call as I will be in aplane

  Greg Shatan: (01:07) Thank you and goodnight.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (01:07) Thank you

  Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (01:07) Thx! Have a Good Weekend all!

  CLO: (01:07) indeed we will...thanks all bye

  Athina Fragkouli (ASO): (01:07) bye all

  Jan Scholte: (01:07) thank you all

  Konstantinos Komaitis: (01:07) bye all

  Greg Shatan: (01:07) Still have to get through Friday.....

  Leon Sanchez: (01:07) thanks everyone!

  Leon Sanchez: (01:07) have a great weekend!

  Alan Greenberg: (01:07) Actually, it was sched for 60 minutes

  Leon Sanchez: (01:08) @Alan you just burst my bubble on having an extra 20 minutes of sleep :P

  Alan Greenberg: (01:08) -10 minutes now!

  Leon Sanchez: (01:08) LOL!

  Leon Sanchez: (01:09) see you all soon!

  Leon Sanchez: (01:09) bye