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Alice Jansen: (3/18/2015 05:47) Welcome to the ST-WP call #2. Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards

  Brenda Brewer: (05:58) Please stand by while the audio bridge gets set up.  Slight delay today.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (05:59) There was apparently some stress test that Adobe overlooked...

  Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (05:59) Conf bridge operator had no call scheduled for STRESS TESTS.   He hung up on me!

  Brenda Brewer: (05:59) They are activating it right now.  My apologies!

  Alice Jansen: (06:02) the document may be found at: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52232556/Applying%20Stress%20Tests%20%5BDraft%20v7%20-%20SE.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1426071415000&api=v2

  Alice Jansen: (06:04) Brenda is working on Cheryl's dial-out - thanks for your patience.

  Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (06:04) we finished last ST call at end of page 4 in the document.

  Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:06) am still trying to call in

  Alice Jansen: (06:06) For those who are joining us, the call has not started yet - we are waiting for Cheryl to join (dial-out issues)

  Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:07) am in

  Alice Jansen: (06:09) Cheryl is now on the call

  Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (06:10) Sam Eisner sent text for Compromise of Credentials (#11): ICANN has committed to annually seeking SysTrust Certification for its role as the Root Zone KSK manager, which it has done every year since 2010.  https://www.iana.org/dnssec/systrust.  The IANA Department has achieved EFQM Committed to Excellence certification for its Business Excellence activities.  http://www.iana.org/about/excellence.  Under C.5.3 of the IANA Functions Contract, ICANN has undergone annual external, independent audits of its security provisions for the IANA functions.

  Finn Petersen, GAC: (06:11) This stress test no. 21 is in conflict contries which national regulation

  Berry Cobb: (06:12) ccwg-accountability4@icann.org

  Brenda Brewer: (06:12) ccwg-accountability4@icann.org

  Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (06:12) Its  "ccwg-accountability4@icann.org"

  Alice Jansen: (06:15) Cocktail ends at 8:30 PM

  Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:19) what page are we on now?

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:20) The stakes are different but are the means to hold the organization accountable necessarily different?

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:20) page 6

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:20) FINALLY  in the AC Room !!

  Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:20) Thanks Jonathan

  Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:21) sorry I hope I muted in time, had a coughing fit :-)-O

  Samantha Eisner: (06:38) I think its fine to have a stress test focusing on the RZM, and we can address it.  We're just not getting to the right issues in the stress test as currently written

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:39) Thus a rewrite of the 'problem statement is needed... Agree 2Sam

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:39) @sam

  Samantha Eisner: (06:39) When we discuss immunity, it's not clear that immunity means there's the ability to ignore court orders, but only immunity from liability for their actions

  Samantha Eisner: (06:40) Agree with Jonathan that focusing on ICANN may make this clearer

  Samantha Eisner: (06:42) Sure

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:47) Exactly

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:51) especially since both of thos things will be subject to interpretation by the board and not really matters of "fact"

  Samantha Eisner: (06:53) Can I clarify the insurance/cost issue?

  Samantha Eisner: (06:55) Agree that it should NOT stop from accountability measures

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:56) Exactly @Jonathan

  Samantha Eisner: (06:56) just suggesting that accountability measures as we've discussed here that the community could - as a result of the challenge - that litigation could be forced.  BUT having other levels of accountability measures are key, all teh way up to spilling the Board

  Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:56) I fully agree

  Samantha Eisner: (06:56) +1 Jonathan

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:56) YUP

  Samantha Eisner: (07:08) This may not be a stress test that we solve through specific accountability measures, but we need to clearly test every proposed solution to assess teh ability for capture

  Samantha Eisner: (07:17) there are no exclusions in the reconsideration or IRP that would preclude ccTLD operators from invoking

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:21) Yes, this conversation is happening in wp2 and has not yet been resolved

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:21) ahhh Thanks  @Jonathan,   so we will have more later

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:26) this questio n isn't our remit at the moment. we just need to identify risks

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:28) Agree Thank you @Jonathan...  We will of course need to discuss the proposed mechanism(s)  later  runing this ST...

  Alice Jansen: (07:34) Letter can be found here https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Letter+to+CCWG-Accountability+CoChairs

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:35) Yes

  Finn Petersen, GAC: (07:37) The stress semms reasonable - but further diaogue is needed with the GAC

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:48) contracted party market power falls under antitrust jurisdiction of the party

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:49) Exactly

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:01) Istanbul

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:01) Franfurt

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:02) Great job guys. Great sub group.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (08:02) Bye all THANK  to you all :-)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (08:03) Staff   in Nots  Timeline  REDline

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (08:03) Notes *sigh*