CCWG ACCT WS2 Meeting #3 (9 August @ 20:00 UTC)
- Brenda Brewer
Members: Athina Fragkouli, Becky Burr, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Fiona Asonga, Jordan Carter, Jorge Villa, Julie Hammer, Leon Sanchez, Michael Abejuela, Olga Cavalli, Pedro da Silva, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner, Sebastien Bachollet, Steve DelBianco, Tatina Tropina, Thomas Rickert, Tijani Ben Jemaa (18)
Participants: Alberto Soto, Avri Doria, Brett Schaefer, Chris LaHatte, Chris Wilson, David Maher, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Greg Shatan, Harold Arcos, Jimson Olufuye, John Curran, Julf Helsingius, Karel Douglas, Kavouss Arasteh, Keith Drazek, Lori Schulman, Lousewies van der Laan, Matthew Shears, Niels ten Oever, Rudi Daniel, Shreedeep Rayamajhi, Simon Jansson, Sonigitu Ekpe, Stephen Deerhake (25)
Guests: Anahí Menéndez, Bukola Fawole, Elizabeth Andrews, Erin Dorgan, Phil Marano, Ryan Carroll,
Staff: Bernie Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer
Apologies: Finn Petersen, Mathieu Weill, Ricardo Holmquist, Edward Morris
**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
1. Welcome, SoI
2. Updated Staff papers
3. Update on request regarding ATRT3
4. Dependencies between sub-groups
5. ICANN 57 Travel
6. AOB & Closing
Notes
1. Welcome, SoI:Leon Sanchez
- Kavouss Arasteh: two additional items for agenda - 1 letter of appreciation for Grace Abuhamad for her two years of service. 2 All rapporteurs should sign a letter of impartiality to show they have no conflict of interest to avoid issues like in the CWG.
- Leon Sanchez: support the first request but not the second. Our charter already covers this for the Co-Chairs and then by extension to any rapporteurs.
- Kavouss Arasteh: LS your prerogative but disagree on the second.
- Thomas Rickert: KA you always remind us that we must respect all. We did not request any such letter from our rapporteurs in WS1. Doing so now would break with precedent and could be seen as discrimination. However, let us use your comment to remind everyone of the charter.
2. Updated Staff papers
- Bernard Turcotte - All documents should be completed by the end of the week.
- Niels ten Oever: need to accept the changes in the Google doc and update the PDF. ACTION ITEM for staff.
3. Update on request regarding ATRT3
- Thomas Rickert: Letter has been sent as of August 9th. Will advise when the ICANN Board replies.
4. Dependencies between sub-groups
- Thomas Rickert: the co-chairs in cooperation with the rapporteurs will closely monitor this to avoid any conflict on dependencies. this subject should be covered at each plenary meeting.
- Sebastien Bachollet: I would propose to go a little further - I would ask all groups to identify any inter-dependencies with other groups early and advise those groups. This would help lessen potential conflicts.
- Thomas Rickert: would ask rapporteurs to update the co-chairs on this in two weeks.
5. ICANN 57 Travel
- Leon Sanchez: reminder of the deadline for applications and reminder of the policy rules.
- Kavouss Arasteh: could all CCWG members be placed in the same hotel to facilitate exchanges. ACTION ITEM for staff.
- Julie Hammer: This may not suit everyone as people may prefer to stay in the same hotel of their constituency.
- Kavouss Arasteh: people should be free to choose.
- Sonigitu Ekpe; what is the difference between members and participants. Members are appointed by their respective SOACs.
6. AOB & Closing
- Kavouss Arasteh: reject the notion of using any particular law in the jurisdiction sub-group. Leon Sanchez: since the group has not met yet it is too early to make any judgements - let us see what the actual group does.
- Greg Shatan: Co-Rapporteur of the jurisdiction - we should not go in with pre-conceptions but we should not make these up either. I also declare I am neutral in this matter and look forward to work with all in the sub-group.
- Leon Sanchez: reminder to everyone to participate in their selected groups.
- Action Item - staff to draft a letter of appreciation for Grace Abuhamad for the Co-Chairs.
- Leon Sanchez: Adjourned.
Action Items
- Action Item - could all CCWG members be placed in the same hotel to facilitate exchanges?
- Action Item - staff to draft a letter of appreciation for Grace Abuhamad for the Co-Chairs.
- Action Item - need to accept the changes in the Google doc and update the PDF for HR Subgroup
Documents
AC Chat
Brenda Brewer: (8/9/2016 14:48) Good day all and welcome to CCWG ACCT WS2 Plenary Call #3 on 9 August 2016 @ 20:00 UTC!
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:49) dEAR cO-cHAIR, i HAVE TWO POINTS TO ADD TO THE AGENDA
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:50) 1. Appreciation letter to the valuable service and devotion provided by Grace during the last two years
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:51) 2. sIGNED LETTER FROM ALL NINE wg CHAIR DECLARING THEIR FULL IMPARTIALITY AND NEUTRALITY AND HAVING NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:51) Before startiing, agenda should be amended.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:52) I am fed up with the non democtratic way that the process is being carried out NOT IN CCWG but in the transition processc
Brett Schaefer: (14:53) I will not be on audio.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:53) Dear Brett
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:53) Pls bear with me and kindly do not start to oppose to me
Brett Schaefer: (14:53) Depends on what you are proposing. What do you think I would object to?
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:54) The process seems to continue in rush , hurry up , non democtaric, non transparent
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (14:56) hello all
Julf Helsingius: (14:57) Someone seems to have their mic on at a rather high gain...
Leon Sanchez (Co-Chair ALAC): (14:58) Hello everyone!
Tatiana Tropina: (14:58) Hi all!
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:59) Greetings from foggy San Francisco!
Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: (14:59) Hello everyone!
Julf Helsingius: (14:59) Hi from a pretty cold Amsterdam...
FIONA ASONGA (ASO): (14:59) Hallo All
Michael Abejuela (ARIN): (14:59) Hello everyone!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:00) Hi all
Olga Cavalli: (15:00) Hi all from Buenos Aires
Sonigitu Ekpe: (15:00) Hello! Everyone.
Alberto Soto: (15:00) Hi everyone!
Olga Cavalli: (15:03) agree with Kavouss about Grace
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:03) We have hardly forgotten and mny of us hve formally followed up Kaous
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:03) but yes a CCWG letter is a fine thing
Shreedeep Rayamajhi: (15:04) +1 with Kavous
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:06) Kavous as a practiced leader of groups as Chair or Rapporter etc., I am happy to stand on my demonsterable record of my non partisen/ neutral facilitation perforrmance reord...Should I fail in this then I would be either not appointed in future and quite possiby removed from my role.... I assume others will work the same way
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:07) Cam we now go on with our agenda perhaps?
Avri Doria: (15:08) I expect that if any of us rapporteurs start to behave badly with repsect to neutrlity or toherwise, it will brought to the co-chair, who i understand are alwasy on on our lists watching in any case.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:08) Yes Thomas our Harter is clear on this...
Tatiana Tropina: (15:08) Thomas, well said.
Jimson Olufuye: (15:09) +1
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:09) TKS
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:10) i hope every one without exception maintain the neutrality and impartiality
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:11) Draft On jurisdiction SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON SPECIFIC LAW OR COURT OR PRAXCTICE
Lori Schulman: (15:11) Hello. My apologies for being late.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:11) Grec shall take that into account
John Curran: (15:12) (apologies for my tardiness - now here and active)
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:13) I have studied tens of documents on jurisdiction and know by heart all text.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:13) I categorically reject any text based on a particular country practice, law , jurisdiction and court orderr
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:14) People responsible are requested to remopve all those refernxces
Leon Sanchez (Co-Chair ALAC): (15:14) Kavouss, let's wait and see how work evolves
Leon Sanchez (Co-Chair ALAC): (15:15) let's give a vote of confidence to our rapporteurs
Leon Sanchez (Co-Chair ALAC): (15:15) We, as co-chairs, promise to keep close follow up to each sub-group's work
Karel Douglas: (15:16) Hi ALL
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:16) Once again, I declare that I strongly disagree if any chair refer to any Rules, practices, cour corder or any material from any given country in jurisdiction
Leon Sanchez (Co-Chair ALAC): (15:17) Objection noted Kavouss
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:17) TKS WITH GREAT APPRECIATIOON
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:20) the co-chairs in cooperation with the rappoerteurs will clsoely monitor this to avoid any conflict on dependencies.
Leon Sanchez (Co-Chair ALAC): (15:20) We will Kavouss
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (15:22) what is the criteria by which co-chairs make travel support decisions?
Karel Douglas: (15:23) Robin - by the flip of a coin
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:24) There is no need for additional criteria.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (15:25) The co-chairs in fact such prorogative as they are elected co-chairs
Keith Drazek: (15:25) Do we have more substance to discuss today?
Sebastien (ALAC): (15:26) No sound (is it me?)
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (15:26) sound is good
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:26) sound ok for me
David McAuley (RySG): (15:26) I hear fine as well
Jordan Carter (ccNSO member): (15:27) now on Adobe - been on the line on the phone since the start
Sonigitu Ekpe: (15:27) What is the difference between members and participants?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:28) Members are appointed by the AC/SOs to the CCWG
Olga Cavalli: (15:28) very low cannot hear
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:28) Formsl role wit ro=ight to "vote" should we ever take one
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:29) Yes Thx Bernie
Jordan Carter (ccNSO member): (15:32) this discussion belongs in the Jurisdiction sub group
Jordan Carter (ccNSO member): (15:32) I urge the co-chairs not to continue it here now
Tatiana Tropina: (15:32) +1 Jordan, the DT on jurisdiction has not even started the work yet
matthew shears: (15:32) agree Jordan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:33) yup
David McAuley (RySG): (15:33) We also need to respect the final report from WS1
Niels ten Oever: (15:33) indeed - sounds like a jurisdiction specific discussion
matthew shears: (15:33) + 1 David
Becky Burr: (15:33) this really isn't about jurisdiction Jordan - I'm puzzled by why this has spun out of control.
Tatiana Tropina: (15:33) David, another +1.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:33) absolutly
Tatiana Tropina: (15:33) I would have rather noted that we shall not reopen the discussions again.
Tatiana Tropina: (15:33) :)
matthew shears: (15:33) yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:34) THX Greg I would ot have expected otherwise
Jordan Carter (ccNSO member): (15:34) (in that group of anywhere)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:34) ot =Not
Tatiana Tropina: (15:34) Greg - everyone is looking forward to jurisdiction ;)
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (15:35) which group had no one?
Lori Schulman: (15:35) To clarify, my groud did not respond to an email and doodle
Lori Schulman: (15:35) we did not organize a call
Jordan Carter (ccNSO member): (15:36) and Lori, forgive me but remind me - your group is - standards for board members?
Lori Schulman: (15:36) I sent a welcome email with no responses
Lori Schulman: (15:36) and followed with a Doodle
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:36) Thx everyone .... Bye for now...
Lori Schulman: (15:36) The doodle may not have gone to everyone
Olga Cavalli: (15:36) bye thanks
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (15:36) Thanks, bye!
Athina Fragkouli (ASO): (15:36) thank you all
Tatiana Tropina: (15:36) bye all!
Niels ten Oever: (15:36) bye
Alberto Soto: (15:36) Thanks,bye!!!!
FIONA ASONGA (ASO): (15:36) Thanks
David McAuley (RySG): (15:36) Thanks all, bye
rudi daniel: (15:36) thank you_
matthew shears: (15:36) thks
Michael Abejuela (ARIN): (15:36) thanks everyone
Karel Douglas: (15:36) Byee all