13 December 2017 - Special call to discuss operating standards
- Kimberly Carlson
Attendees:
Participants: Katrina Sataki, Ben Fuller, Stephen Deerhake, Mirjana Tasic, Martin Boyle Christelle Vaval, Dejan Djukic, Alejandra Reynoso
Staff: Bart Boswinkel, Kim Carlson, Lars Hoffman, Larisa Gurnick
Apologies: David McAuley
Agenda:
- Comments GRC to date
- Introduction (process todate)
- Run through comments & questions MSSI
- Discussion on most effective way of submitting
- Format, level of detail, timeline, expectation other groups
- Next steps: post public forum
- AOB
- Adjourn
Recordings: Mp3
Documents:
- Consolidated comments OS Specific reviews version 1.pdf
- draft-operating-standards-specific-reviews-17oct17-en clean.pdf
Chat Transcript:
Alejandra Reynoso [.gt]:Good morning! :)
Kimberly Carlson:Good morning!
Joke Braeken:hi Stephen, hello Kim.
Stephen Deerhake:Good morning everyone!
Joke Braeken:And I already said good morning to Alejandra :)
Ben Fuller:Good afternoon everyone
Bart Boswinkel:Hi All
Kimberly Carlson:Hi all, welcome
Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hello everyone
Ben Fuller:Hi Bart
Stephen Deerhake:Greetings Bart.
Joke Braeken:hello everyone.
Christelle Vaval:good morning all
Ben Fuller:All may have change my wifi will login again
Martin Boyle:Doesn't the ccNSO issue manager do the same thing in setting the scope?
Larisa Gurnick:As background information, we thought it would be useful to organize the Operating Standards in line with the process documentation - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_specific-2Dreviews-2Dprocess-2Dflowchart-2D31aug17-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=GKmFfRII4Fu5R2rvaGzd2eqNVicqdIuGnamKqfKpp0hrH9ye_zt36pZ_ZlAuB8NR&m=7oI6mKznERwlqUIfPnzRC5s7HgedREexdj6WhasO1rE&s=J8-ZGo-QMuvcfVsgpQVdk61LzB83Qm6iayEEur2KqjE&e=
Bart Boswinkel:@ MArtin, yes , but if you recall with the current PDP was defined by a drafting teeam i.e. the charters of the WGs
Larisa Gurnick:and the supporting handbook - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_specific-2Dreviews-2Dprocess-2Dhandbook-2D19oct17-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=GKmFfRII4Fu5R2rvaGzd2eqNVicqdIuGnamKqfKpp0hrH9ye_zt36pZ_ZlAuB8NR&m=7oI6mKznERwlqUIfPnzRC5s7HgedREexdj6WhasO1rE&s=yVxrN9G7dUn74SYuZOVGYKnQD3tlX0UcatPLqCPoWxI&e=
Bart Boswinkel:so tha tmechanisms works, but as part of theoverall process,
Martin Boyle:@Bart: so this is quite in line with the way MSSI are suggesting we might take here?
Bart Boswinkel:In a way yes, but not as separate porcesses
Stephen Deerhake:That flowchart just made my head explode... ;-)
Bart Boswinkel: if you recall the drafting of charter was part of the initiation phase of the PDP
Bart Boswinkel:it is subtle but important diffrence
Stephen Deerhake:It does seem pretty similar however, Bart...
Bart Boswinkel:yes the ccNSO is a learning Org:-)
Larisa Gurnick:i appreciate that the flowchart is quite complex, to a large degree because the process of specific reviews is quite complicated.
Martin Boyle:didn't our committee do the work, propose to the ccNSO council and then they initiated the work. Seems pretty similar, enough for us to feel comfortable with the approach
Stephen Deerhake:Personally I'm quite comfortable with the contents of Section 2 of the OS Draft.
Bart Boswinkel:The order was: Council kicked off process ( appointing ISsue maanger, defining high level) as part of issue fdefimntion, drafting teeam was appointed, and included in issue reprot, that was adopted by Council - > initiation of PDP
Bart Boswinkel:questions is who is going to play the role of the Council
Ben Fuller:I agree Martin
Bart Boswinkel:Another way of looking at is by looking at he starting point of the review <-> startign point of PDP
Bart Boswinkel:Review starts will Board decision and call for volunteers <-> PDP call for Issue reprot, inlcuding method for adressing
Ben Fuller:Bart, IIRC the Bylaws have a timetable for the Reviews, hence the Board will be the initiating body?
Bart Boswinkel:It is unclear whether the drafting team is part of the overall review process or add-on at the front of the process
Lars Hoffmann:i believe the GNSO Council is working on comments.
Bart Boswinkel:before the proces sis kick-off
Lars Hoffmann:yes - we will extend if needed
Stephen Deerhake:Based on my ECA experience, dumping the responsibility for finding "solutions" to any problems that arise during the review process on the SO/AC chairs could lead to significant delays in the review process if everything grinds to a halt awaiting clarification from the SO/AC Chairs...
Ben Fuller:I would include the drafting team into the overall process.
Larisa Gurnick:@Stephen - we appreciate the challenge that you highlight. Do you have thoughts on an alternative way for SO/ACs to engage in the process.
Bart Boswinkel:@ Larisa: which part of the process?
Larisa Gurnick:review process where input and direction is needed from the community, 'such as the current work for the SO/AC to un-pause the SSR2
Stephen Deerhake:@Larisa - possibly bump an "issue resolution" matter to a group of SO/AC by-chairs (this assumes that they generally have somewhat less day-to-day work than the SO/AC chairs).. However, this does not get around the problem that might arise if an SO/AC comes to believe that they perhaps should not, for whatever internal reason, be involved (as was the case with GAC and the ECA at the beginning))
Stephen Deerhake:That definition of when the clock starts makes sense to me...
Bart Boswinkel:For the ATRT is states: The ATRT should issue its final reprot within one year of convening its first meeting ( Section 4.6 b. v )
Stephen Deerhake:Good suggestion Bart to look at CSC call for volunteers...
Ben Fuller:Divide the work into a preparathory pahse, scope drafting cal for volunteers, etc., then once the Review team meets, then the 1 yer time frame comes into effect
Bart Boswinkel:The letter included refers to skill set etc
Joke Braeken:Many thanks all, bye.
Kimberly Carlson:Thank you Larisa and Lars - thanks all, bye
Stephen Deerhake:Thank you Lars and Larisa. Bye all!
Bart Boswinkel:Bye all
Alejandra Reynoso [.gt]:Thank you! Have a great day :)
Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye all
Larisa Gurnick:happy holidays