Zoom chat: 2024-04-25 APRALO Policy Forum Fireside Chat: Let's Talk About Internet Fragmentation
08:35:04 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome to the APRALO Policy Forum Fireside Chat: “Let’s Talk About Internet Fragmentation & Multistakeholder Internet Governance” taking place on Thursday, 25 April 2024 at 06:00 UTC.
08:35:14 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/7HPeBg
08:58:57 From Shah Zahidur Rahman to Everyone:
Hi all ,
08:59:19 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
Hi everyone!
09:00:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Welcome everyone
09:02:17 From Nabeel Yasin Amin to Everyone:
Good morning Amrita and all
09:02:43 From Shah Zahidur Rahman to Everyone:
my connection may drop sometime, due to Submarine cable cut, we BD running with 1/3 of Bandwidth
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good morning everyone
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Greetings all..
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Hi Everyone
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Good Morning and Greetings to all
09:04:23 From Aris Ignacio to Everyone:
Good day to all!
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Hi Everyone
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Hello all
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09:05:05 From Vineet Kumar, CyberPeace to Everyone:
Hello everyone
09:07:50 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
Could we start with what the speakers mean by Internet Fragmentation. It can mean more than one thing. Thanks
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Hello everyone
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That is the first question, Holly,
09:11:50 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Chris - what about the technical aspects of fragmentation and ICNAN’s role - thanks
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09:12:18 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Welcome Anriette
09:12:24 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Thank you for joining in
09:12:30 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
Apologies for being late.
09:12:57 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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Welcome! No worries. You're here now.
09:13:01 From Shah Zahidur Rahman to Everyone:
Content regulation is now more concenr
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09:13:55 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks Justine - I think Pablo is starting to discuss the varying definitions.
09:14:06 From Nabeel Yasin Amin to Everyone:
</question>Do you think we will see internet fragmentation on the infrastructure and DNS layer as well? </question>
09:14:12 From Ashirwad Tripathy to Everyone:
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Agreed. Some regime not only misuse but sometimes abuse fragmentation.
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indeed
09:14:41 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Because fragmentation can be triggered by so many parties, it's hard to avert?
09:15:48 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
GDPR has said to be a fragmentor
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09:18:53 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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your question is noted Nabeel
09:18:59 From Winthrop Yu to Everyone:
Question : would proposed protocols that would prioritize some flows (violate Net Neutrality) be considered fragmentation?
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Noted Wyn
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09:19:50 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Ah - technical vs governance & coordination vs commercial - good way to examine different levels of fragmentation.
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09:21:02 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Maybe we should differentiate between Governance (national Govts) with geopolitical...
09:21:06 From Dr. Vladimer Svanadze to Everyone:
Hello to All
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09:23:05 From Dr. Vladimer Svanadze to Everyone:
would like to share my new article about Internet Fragmentation, hope will be interesting.... https://gfsis.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/221-expert-opinion-eng.pdf wait your feedbacks!
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09:25:02 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
QUESTION: Given that IP4 and IPv6 are still both in use, is that an ongoing fragmentation issue QESTION
09:27:14 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
+1 on Multistakeholder commitment
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09:30:21 From Nabeel Yasin Amin to Everyone:
Simply speaking As for IPv6 has failed to replace IPv4 .
09:30:21 From Sarai Tevita to Everyone:
fragmentation may lead to barriers in accessing information or impact on communication across different part of the world..how to solve it?
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09:32:20 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
<question> what do we call a situation whereby you are trying to access a website and you get a pop up of it not available for your region?</question>
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09:33:45 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
So geoblocking as another form of fragmentation
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Possibly impact of digital rights / copyright laws?
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Yep, what Pablo said
09:35:23 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
I moved from fibre to mobile data - hope my connection is more stable now. Looks like it.
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fingers crossed Anriette
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09:37:53 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
As Amrita said, GDPR fragments
09:39:02 From Umera Asmat to Everyone:
+1 chris
09:39:11 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone:
<question> Is innovation tends to be fragmentation? IPv4 vs IPv6 but also DNS vs so call blockchain DN…<Q>
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09:40:03 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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noted. You can also ask it your self SeB during the open discussion
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Alternative name systems?
09:40:57 From Chris Buckridge to Everyone:
GDC on the brain…
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@Amrita Choudhury I can ;)
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09:41:32 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
QUESTION: So one of the responses to the Global Compact is to leave the current technical structures under the ICANN umbrella alone? QUESTION
09:41:41 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
I like what you said " fragmentation is a spectrum"
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Holly if you prefer you can ask it yourself in the open discussion
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Harmonised seems a key aim @Anriette ESTERHUYSEN
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09:45:34 From Umera Asmat to Everyone:
Agreed-Balance is important
09:46:15 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
+1 Anriette
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Will do
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09:47:10 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
Agree with that conclusion
09:47:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Hands up for those who want to ask questions
09:48:13 From Nabeel Yasin Amin to Everyone:
</comment >I think as said fragmentation is all the end effect the end user experience, so if I go to US and my TikTok in not work or I go to China and I have no WhatsApp ,then this is the fragmentation for me </comment >
09:48:37 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
An example .. in APC my organisation we work with community networks - groups who build and run their own infrastructure at local level. Some of them have opted to be delinked from the global internet. To just have a network with their own, locally agreed content, at local level. This is challenging for us.. but we have to respect it.
09:49:32 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
Provided that 1) the community network makes its decisions inclusively, and 2) they do not prevent people in the community from looking for alternative options to connect to the 'greater' internet
09:50:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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and one assumes their network could always join the wider Internet network of networks
09:52:08 From Ashirwad Tripathy to Everyone:
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This also has a plus point. For eg during Nepal earthquake information available on internet was very focused on urban areas but in rural area the best source of information came through word of mouth. So locally agreed content may be useufl.
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09:53:51 From Sarai Tevita to Everyone:
Great session Amrita and all. Have to leave now for another meeting. Thank you.
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09:54:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
makes sense to me @Anriette ESTERHUYSEN
09:54:35 From Shah Zahidur Rahman to Everyone:
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Thank you for participating
09:55:22 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
if it makes sense to you, Cheryl, that is good :) Thanks. You are a good @$5# detector!
09:55:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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swam in it long enough ;-)
09:56:00 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
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!!
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09:56:47 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Two questions we had :Sarai-fragmentation may lead to barriers in accessing information or impact on communication across different part of the world..how to solve it? Bukola <question> what do we call a situation whereby you are trying to access a website and you get a pop up of it not available for your region?</question>
09:57:02 From Bikram Shrestha to Everyone:
https://conference.apnic.net/54/program/schedule/index.html#/day/6/apnic-cooperation-sig-and-aprigf
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09:58:00 From K Mohan Raidu, ISOC Hyderabad to Everyone:
Multistakeholder approach is such a fashionable phrase in all the Internet Forms. Not many walks of real world people are seen any forum. It requires more serious and committed involvement and not mere repeating the words.
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For all, do note we will have a group photo for Justine and Shah to report on this session :)
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10:01:31 From Dr Govind to Everyone:
Well said Pablo
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after our speakers complete this round
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+1 Anriette
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So well articulated Anriette. Thank you
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10:06:48 From Kiki Fong Lim to Everyone:
Well everyone, but that was really interesting :-)
10:06:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Sounds like a great round table topic for some conference or meeting @Anriette ESTERHUYSEN
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10:07:13 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
Thank you @anriette and all for this session
10:07:33 From Vineet Kumar, CyberPeace to Everyone:
Excellent session
10:07:39 From Nabeel Yasin Amin to Everyone:
Thank you all for this great session
10:07:41 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
Nice to see you all!
10:07:45 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Yesim do take beautiful picture of us :)
10:07:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Great session indeed!
10:07:56 From Letitia Masaea to Everyone:
Great session. Thank you so much
10:08:00 From Dr. Vladimer Svanadze to Everyone:
Thanks for an interesting session, and many thanks to speakers!
10:08:03 From Ashirwad Tripathy to Everyone:
Thank you for interesting sess
10:08:11 From Bikram Shrestha to Everyone:
Great Session
10:08:22 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
staff@atlarge.icann.org
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thanks
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10:08:58 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
APRALO Policy Forum: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/APRALO/pages/115206712/APRALO+Policy+Forum
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10:09:08 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Please have a look at this page!
10:09:27 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you so much to the speakers and all those who have joined us across the globe
10:09:27 From Kiki Fong Lim to Everyone:
nice to see everyone. thanks for all your work. it's appreciated.
10:10:01 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
7 questions in total. Please scroll down to see them all
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10:10:10 From Shah Zahidur Rahman to Everyone:
Please participate poll, it might also help our improvment
10:10:13 From Juliana Harsianti to Everyone:
Great session. Thank you for organizer and the speakers.
10:10:26 From HOlly Raiche to Everyone:
Thank you all - great session
10:10:42 From Pablo Hinojosa to Everyone:
please share the results of the poll.
10:11:11 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
Thank you for this wonderfully organised session
10:11:34 From Avri Doria to Everyone:
Bye, thanks
10:11:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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Thx for joining
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Thanks for the invite everyone!
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10:12:09 From Waqar Ahmad to Everyone:
Great Session
10:12:18 From Chris Buckridge to Everyone:
Thank you all for the great discussion!
10:12:23 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
I did not put it in the poll, but I would personally like to see more collaboration between At Large and NCUC.
10:12:23 From Shah Zahidur Rahman to Everyone:
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Much pleasure having you with us ! Thank you Again
10:12:32 From Dr Govind to Everyone:
Very live and informative session thand to speakers and organisers
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We can but try
10:12:51 From Aris Ignacio to Everyone:
Thanks a lot everyone!
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Thanks alot everyone
10:13:17 From Avri Doria to Everyone:
The model is still young, still needs to be understood, and needs more deployment.
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10:13:27 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
Thanks Justine and Amrita and everyone.
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especially me! neurodivergent diversions!
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Thank you everyone for the informative session!
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10:13:59 From Md. Mahedi Hasan to Everyone:
the overall session was very useful and informative. thank you everyone of this session
10:14:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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was the top I noted
10:14:25 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Great topic, and a great session!!
10:14:34 From Kiki Fong Lim to Everyone:
thanks for the sleepless ones for a great timezone today haha.
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Thanks the good topic
10:14:51 From Bikram Shrestha to Everyone:
Thank you
10:14:59 From Nur Adlin Hanisah Shahul Ikram to Everyone:
Thank you, everyone! Happy to see familiar faces.
10:14:59 From Bikram Shrestha to Everyone:
wonderful session
10:15:08 From Anriette ESTERHUYSEN to Everyone:
Bye all... greetings from southern Africa :)
10:15:12 From kong diep to Everyone:
good bye everyone
10:15:12 From Azeem Sajjad to Everyone:
Thank yo so much
10:15:12 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
Bye all
10:15:13 From Nabeel Yasin Amin to Everyone:
Great , Thank you all , we still on one internet so far . Enjoy your day
10:15:14 From Mohammad Kawsar Uddin to Everyone:
Thanks
10:15:14 From Ashirwad Tripathy to Everyone:
Thanks all
10:15:15 From Kalpesh Chaudhari to Everyone:
Thank you very much
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bye everyone
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