Attendees:

Members:  Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Eduardo Diaz, Elise Lindeberg, Graeme Bunton, Greg Shatan, Jonathan Robinson, Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Seun Ojedeji, Staffan Jonson, Wanawit Ahkuputra   (11)

Participants:  Alan Greenberg, Christopher Wilkinson, Chuck Gomes, Gary Hunt, Jorge Cancio, Manal Ismail, Mark Carvell, Martin Boyle, Matthew Shears, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana, Sabine Meyer, Tomohiro Fujisaki, Tracy Hackshaw, Wale Bakare   (14)

Staff:  Alain Durand, Bart Bostwinkel, Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Grace Abuhamad, Marika Konings

Apologies:  Lise Fuhr, Andrew Sullivan, Jaap Akkerhuis; Maarten Simon, Keith Davidson

 

**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**

Agenda

1. Opening Remarks

2. Implementation Schedule

3. ICG Questions - review of draft responses

4. Update from CCWG-Accountability

5. Update on legal work 

6. AoB

Notes

1. Opening Remarks

2 calls per week right now, but may not be needed. 

2. Implementation Schedule

  • Chuck prepared a document for the group to review
  • There is also an implementation list sent Jonathan to the CWG list (not presented on screen in AC room)
  • ICG would like this shared this week. 
  • This could be shared and then updated. View this as a 'work-in-progress'

Action(staff): read and review implementation document

Action(CWG): read and review  implementation   document (24 hour window) 

Action(Jonathan): send implementation document to ICG at approx. 13:00 UTC on Friday 2 Oct. Include communication that this document is work in progress/ not final. 

Action:add an implementation action item to the inventory regarding RZM.

Action:cross-check question 8 from the ICG against the implementation list. 

 

3. ICG Questions - review of draft responses

  • ICG sent two batches of questions which are presented in the document on screen. CWG has already provided answers to questions. 
  • On RZM question #1: ICG misunderstood the NTIA/Versign proposal. 
  • On RZM question #2: we have a Standing Panel to approve substantial changes. So the answer includes, community consultation, expert consultation, and Board approval. Refer to paragraph 155 in the CWG Proposal (1155 in the ICG). Alan Greenberg: Proposed reply to Question 2: Both descriptions are correct but incomplete. The full answer is addressed in paragraph ICG 1155 (CWG 155). A change in the responsibilities of the IANA Functions Operator and the Root Zone Maintainer is clearly a substantial architectual and operational change, and is therefore subject to a review of the standing review committee and ultimately ICANN Board approval. Subsection 5 of paragraph 155/1155 requires consultation through an ICANN Public Comment Process.
  • On ccTLD questions #3, #4, #5: These were drafted by the ccTLD members/participants. No comments or concerns. Thank you ccTLD members/participants. 
  • On PTI question #6: complete. no comments
  • On PTI question #7: Clarify text referring to "Community Mechanism" since the CCWG-Accountability is currently working this out. Additional clarfications listed in action item. 
  • On PTI question #8: no comments other than cross-checking with implementation. 
  • On PTI question #9: PTI Board is responsible, but there is also recourse to the ICANN Board. Confirm with lawyers
  • On questions #10, #11, #12 on scope: no comments
  • On question #13: representative of IAB or appointed person will be involved in process. 

 

Summary of current status on ICG questions

  • Further work needed on questions #1, #2, #7, #9, #13
  • Provisionally closed questions: #3, #4, #5, #6, #8, #10, #11, #12

Action(staff): update Question #1 text on RZM with latest sent to list (by Alan)

Action(staff): update question #2 per notes

Action(staff): incorporate Christopher's input (and any other input received) where appropriate 

Action(staff): Clarify text referring to "Community Mechanism" (perhaps by capitalizing the word Mechanism to refer to structure and by making a direct reference to the CCWG-Accountability). Add "in the event that there is divergence between the Board and the Community on an IFR decision/recommendation, the Community will be able to rely on other mechanisms that are being developed by the CCWG."

Action(staff): update question #9 to include recourse to ICANN Board. 

Action(Chairs): run updated answer to question #9 by the lawyers

Action(staff): staff to draft response to #13

 

4. Update from CCWG-Accountability

2-Day LA F2F Meeting 

5. Update on legal work 

  • Bylaws drafting -- no update this week
  • Previous action on question #9 for ICG
  • Billing -- lawyers are reluctant to have full detail of billing shared publicly. They are ok with the Chairs or Client Committee having confidential access to the fine billing. Can the CWG trust that the Client Committee will review these bills on a confidential basis? Any concerns or objections? None recorded. 

6. AoB

Action (staff): resend meeting schedule

Transcript

Recordings

Documents

Chat Transcript

Brenda Brewer: (10/1/2015 06:36) Welcome to CWG IANA Meeting #67 on 1 October 2015!

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (06:46) Good mornig from London !

  Brenda Brewer: (06:52) Hello!

  Martin Boyle, Nominet: (06:52) Hi

  Christopher Wilkinson: (06:54) Good afternoon CW

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (06:58) Hello everyone!

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (06:59) hello all

  Jonathan Robinson: (06:59) Hello everyone. We'll begin shortly.

  Jonathan Robinson: (07:00) Please note that items 2 & 3 have been switched around from the previously published agenda

  Staffan Jonson: (07:00) Hi all

  Jonathan Robinson: (07:02) We'll commence the meeting within 1 minute

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (07:10) Is there anything else we have left out of the implementation inventory?

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (07:11) I think a 24 hour deadline makes sense.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (07:11) We can always make changes later and probably will have to.

  Grace Abuhamad: (07:12) I can go through it if you want a staff check

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (07:12) There was also good input from David Conrad.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (07:14) Finally joined the AC Room !

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (07:28) Note that Alan suggestion adding an implementatioin action item to the inventory regarding RZM.

  Staffan Jonson: (07:31) 3-5 crystal clear! thank You!

  Alan Greenberg: (07:36) I'm ready for Q2 when you want to go back to it.

  Greg Shatan: (07:43) I recognize that we may not have wanted the IFR/SIFR to have the last word, just as any review/WG result needs subsequent approval (typically by its chartering bodies)..

  Grace Abuhamad: (07:44) No we did not

  Greg Shatan: (07:44) But the idea taht the ICANN Board must approve the removal of the names IANA Functions from ICANN feels troublesome to me.

  Grace Abuhamad: (07:48) @greg, but couldn't you use Reconsideration or another existing, enhanced mechanism?

  Greg Shatan: (07:50) @Grace, yes, I think that is part of the escalation path.

  Greg Shatan: (07:51) Although it's not clear what that path is exactly.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (07:52) Should we point out the distinction between the IFR process and the separation process?

  Avri Doria: (07:54) agree with Alan about the ability to just initiate a separation process based on the outcome  of the IFR

  Avri Doria: (07:55) i can certainly help

  Avri Doria: (07:56) i wont be on next Tuesday meeting, actually have a paying job that day. that will tie me up all day.

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (07:58) Audio volume needs to be increased for some of the speakers

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (07:59) Indeed. The only one I can hear loud & clear is Avri.

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (07:59) Correct!

  Avri Doria: (07:59) am i too loud?

  Christopher Wilkinson: (07:59) hearing the chair ok. CW

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (07:59) Nope

  Greg Shatan: (07:59) HearJonathan fine.

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (07:59) mic volume is perfect Jonathan

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (07:59) Not for me!

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (08:00) Okay, to clarify: I can barely hear anyone *but* Avri.

  Greg Shatan: (08:00) @Avri -- never!

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (08:00) Agree with Sabine!

  Alan Greenberg: (08:01) The appropriate paragraph is 155 in the CWG Proposal (1155 in the ICG).

  Brenda Brewer: (08:01) To increase volume, see speaker icon on top of screen...you may boost your volume there

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (08:01) On maximum Brenda!

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (08:01) it's on full already, but thank you!

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:01) @Alan thanks.

  Martin Boyle, Nominet: (08:07) @Jonathan:  agreed!

  CW: (08:07) I do not claim a legal point. I was just saying how it would look from outside and users. CW

  Avri Doria: (08:07) while that is the way it looks, the ontract will be with PTI

  Greg Shatan: (08:08) PTI is ultimately under the contol of ICANN.  So nothing is "ultimately" the responsibility of PTI per se.

  Alan Greenberg: (08:09) Proposed reply to Question 2: Both descriptions are correct but incomplete. The full answer is addressed in paragraph ICG 1155 (CWG 155). A change in the responsibilities of the IANA Functions Operator and the Root Zone Maintainer is clearly a substantial architectual and operational change, and is therefore subject to a review of the standing review committee and ultimately ICANN Board approval. Subsection 5 of paragraph 155/1155 requires consultation through an ICANN Public Comment Process.

  CW: (08:11) I recommend a reference to the decision on .INT (optional)

  Martin Boyle, Nominet: (08:12) @Alan +1

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (08:19) I hink that is a good approach  Jonathan

  Matthew Shears: (08:19) agree on need for vigilance

  jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (08:22) nobody has a crystall-ball?

  Avri Doria: (08:22) The way I have been putting it is that there is a wide range in the urgency people feel about the transtion.

  Avri Doria: (08:22) ... in the degree of urgency ...

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:23) All -- you can download the transcript/audio for these program management calls here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transition-facilitation-2015-09-23-en

  Greg Shatan: (08:27) Managing outside lawyers without seeing their bills is exceptionally suboptimal, to say the least.

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:27) Also, we track the lawyers' work here: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/gnsocwgdtstwrdshp/pages/98471767/Client+Committee

  Alan Greenberg: (08:27) "Exceptionally suboptimal" Great expression.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG): (08:28) Compliements to all for excellent progress on the ICG questions.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (08:28) nope all good here

  jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (08:31) good slide

  Matthew Shears: (08:31) yes really helpful

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (08:31) indeed, very helpfulg

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (08:31) Good progress   Thanks everyone...  Bye for now

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (08:31) good work. Thanks everyone.

  Staffan Jonson: (08:31) Thank You all

  Matthew Shears: (08:31) thanks!

  Wale Bakare: (08:32) Thanks, bye

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (08:32) bye all

  Eduardo Diaz - (ALAC): (08:32) Hasta luego

  CW: (08:32) May thanks Chair and Staff. See you in Dublin. CW

  Sabine Meyer (GAC - Germany): (08:32) thanks everyone!

  Martin Boyle, Nominet: (08:32) thanks Jonathan

  Martin Boyle, Nominet: (08:32) Bye

  Gary Hunt - UK Government: (08:32) Good afternoon from London

  jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (08:32) bye

  Tracy Hackshaw (Trinidad and Tobago) 2: (08:32) bye al

  Greg Shatan: (08:32) Bye all