Attendees: 

Proposed Agenda: 

• DT-D (Cheryl)

• DT-L (James, Matt)

• DT-E (Berry)

Notes

 DT-D Authorization 

• See also DT summary presentation as well as document shared by DT D
• No authorization function for TLD changes is needed post-transition
• This was not totally unanimous: there was one person who disagreeed, but said he would not stand in the way
• In principle, another DT could take up the work on process steps --> DT-F may be the place for that discussion 
• We may need to explain why the role is no longer needed, so we need to bulid in the rationale -- What is the rationale? With automated system deployed in 2011, there is no longer anything for NTIA to check. NTIA checks that the communication channel through which the request is transferred is secure. NTIA also checks that IANA followed its process
• Currently, the ICANN Board certifies IANA process on IANA behalf. The Board would prefer not to continue that role. 
• Could you have one policy that fits both ccTLDs and gTLDs? Overall, need to check all recommendations for how they compare for gTLDs and ccTLDs (if the policy id the same or different)

DT L - IANA Functions Transition Plan Actions

• See also DT summary presentation as well as document shared by DT L
• High level operation / procedures using industry standards and best practices
• Retain technical focus, will not consider HR, IT issues, cultural issues, etc. 
• Should the technical transition framework address the possibility that IANA would be separated into three parts (numbers, protocol parameters, naming) as a result of the transition? The assumption is that it goes all together so probably not worth looking at this now. Also, focus should be on naming only.  
• DT to review documents received / requested from ICANN (Continuity of Operations Plan / Root KSK Plan)
• Where are the non-technical aspects of a possible transition to be dealt with? Not in DT L, but will need to be considered further by CWG as a whole.
• Requirement for transition to succesor operator (i.e. similar to business continuity plan) should also continue post-transition

DT-E - SAC69

• Form of stress test / cross check
• See document circulated to CWG mailing list
• Each recommendation has been aligned with current sections of the draft proposal and relevant DT
• Each DT recommended to review document and review the recommendation related to the respective DT - if recommendations have been mismatched, please let staff know so that the document can be updated accordingly.
• Red team = stress testing of the proposal against SAC69 and any other requirements.

DT-B - Need for IAP on ccTLD delegation and redelegation

• Appeal mechanism for ccTLD put on the table by ccTLDs to be considered - DT created.
• Limited survey in January showed agreement that there should be an appeal mechanism, however the details were not clear and no consensus to move forward.
• Survey of whole ccTLD community to see whether view is held across ccTLD community that no IAP for ccTLDs is needed.
• Awaiting closure of the survey
• Will be up to ccTLD community to show strong support that an IAP for ccTLDs would be needed, as part of the transition otherwise it should maybe be considered on a parallel track by ccTLDs. 
• Verify that CCWG is covering IAP (cross-checking), but no overlap with what DT B is currently doing.
• Until survey is completed, no further work expected to be undertaken.
• For issues / disputes outside delegation / redelgation, IAP could be used provided that panelists are available with expertise in IANA

DT N - Periodic Reviews

• Scope template has basically been completed.
• Compiling reviews that are foreseeing in other DTs to use as a starting point (including timing, who does it, etc)
• Open for anyone to contribute and review (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pjRsvePXLHrK0zzFmMcavzvSXehds5FTCEUPPcc7K6w/edit?usp=sharing)
• Keeping big picture / overview will be important to ensure that all pieces fit together
• DT to review guidance document which contains a number of suggestions
• Already requirements for audits - to consider how this may/should continue and how should review those?

DT F - Relationship NTIA, Root Zone Maintainer and IANA

• Alan Greenberg to lead
• Additional volunteers David Conrad, Cheryl Langdon-Orr

Input on DTs 

• Any DTs that you'd like to see? any further progress required to produce a response to RFP? etc
• Jordan Carter: there should be a DT to design a Charter/Terms of reference for the CSC
• Chuck Gomes: there should be a DT for the IANA budget. There are two parts: input into the current budget proces (short term) and longer-term for post-transition. The third component is to coordinate and inform CCWG on budget drivers.
• Keep track of how pages we are generating for a proposal 
• Support for the red team
• Need a mechanism to ensure that the CWG/CCWG coordination --> Cheryl 
• Stephanie Duchesneau: DT on non-technical aspects of a transition (specifically, funding to support a separated entity) 
• Look into coordination with the two groups 
• Sexy pictures needed -- long proposal is a turn off

Action Items

None

Transcript

Transcript CWG IANA F2F Session 3 26 March.doc

Transcript CWG IANA F2F Session 3 26 March.pdf

Recording

The Adobe Connect recording is available here:  https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p1p0t40bdvk/

The audio recording is available here:  http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-cwg-iana-3-26mar15-en.mp3

Chat Transcript

Grace Abuhamad: (3/26/2015 05:38) 10:30 – 11:30 UTC Lunch break

  Brenda Brewer: (06:22) Welcome all to Day 1 Session 3 of the CWG Stewardship F2F Meeting.

  Grace Abuhamad: (06:31) We'll be startung soon

  Grace Abuhamad: (06:38) Note timestamps!

  Jordan Carter (.nz, participant): (06:44) Time stamps noted :)

  Paul Kane: (06:53) One of the perceived roles of NTIA is to provide liability protection to IANA and RZM

  Chris Disspain: (06:54) that's a mere perception though

  Paul Kane: (06:55) Yes agree ...

  Seun Ojedeji: (06:58) "With automated system deployed in 2011, there is no longer anything for NTIA to check. NTIA checks that the communication channel "  is this entirely the case presently? I mean NTIA does not approve change request at the moment? seem to be different from most documentations

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:00) Okay i guess this part answers my question: "....NTIA also checks that IANA followed its process"

  Chris Disspain: (07:07) Seun...no...NTIA relies on ICANN self certfying that IANA followed its porcess

  Chris Disspain: (07:07) process

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:14) As required by C.2.9.2.d, the new gTLD delegation report includesf the following statement: Documentation is provided verifying that ICANN followed its own policy framework including specific documentation demonstrating how the process provided the opportunity for input from relevant stakeholders and was supportive of the global public interest.

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:16) The Delegation Report also states that "ICANN produces a “New gTLD Program String Delegation Readiness Report” that serves as a confirmation that the application submitted for the delegation of a new generic top-level domain name has completed all applicable phases of the New gTLD Program which included opportunities for input from relevant stakeholders as outlined in the Applicant Guidebook and the ICANN New gTLD Program website."

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:18) Will this be retained once Section C.2.9.2.d goes away?

  Donna Austin, RySG: (07:21) @Greg, I think the answer is yes because it is built into the gTLD delegation process.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:23) I note those links/interdepencies, just mentioned by James are not shown in the p7 table of our Gen. Overview doc distributed today... I assume that should be updated....

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (07:24) @Donna, If it was built into the process only because it was required by the IANA contract, we may need to confirm that ICANN is separatelfy committed to it without a contractula requirement to do so.

  Brenda Brewer: (07:24) As a reminder, please state your name for transcription purposes.  Thank you

  Donna Austin, RySG: (07:25) @Greg, fair point.

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:26) @Chris sorry for the delayed response, i was waiting on my bandwidth to get the reference i required. Here it is: http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-iana/presentation-iana-department-11feb15-en  page 36 of that document seem to imply differently (re: role of NTIA in RZM)

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:32) The audio line is breaking please, those  who speak should try to speak audibly

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:33) Elise is specifically breaking up

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:33) perhaps the issue is your bandwidth today @Seun

  Matthew Shears: (07:34) the section of the current plan that DT-L is related to is C.7 if anyone is intersted and as Jonathan said its about continuity planning

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:35) @Cheryl actually i am on dial-out and the observation is based on my dial-out audio

  Matthew Shears: (07:35) sorry C.7 in the current contract betwen NTIA and ICANN

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:36) Thanks Jonathan for bringling back the group to focus

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:37) ohhh well then tech support might need to do some adjustments as the audio levels in room  as very constant,  that said I guess some speakers are naturally of softer voice...

  Chris Disspain: (07:38) Seun can't see where on page 36 it says that NTIA certifies rather than relying on ICANN self certfying that IANA followed its porcess

  Chris Disspain: (07:39) irrespective of separability good management would dictate that there is a plan for moving

  Chris Disspain: (07:39) even tempoarailky

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:40) one would think so @chris, along with good disaster Max planning/ risk mitigation...

  Chris Disspain: (07:40) correct

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:40) blasted auto correct. Max Mx

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:41) Ah okay i guess the use of word was my confusion; certification against policy vis authorization. However if you check page 39 you may see what i meant by the role of NTIA

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:42) Howver this is not to imply its required post-transition

  Chris Disspain: (07:43) Seun, that's verification...they verify that ICANN has self-certified that the policy has been followed

  Chris Disspain: (07:43) they do not check that the policy has been followed

  Avri Doria: (07:44) this is sort of emergency transiton plan.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:44) yup

  Jonathan Robinson: (07:44) @Avri - IANA EBERO

  Grace Abuhamad: (07:45) *Applause*

  Matthew Shears: (07:46) nice job James

  James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]: (07:46) Thanks Matt =)

  Allan MacGillivray: (07:46) Yes, well done jqmes.  bravo.

  Grace Abuhamad: (07:47) This document is in the reading list

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:55) thanks @berry

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:04) This was the action: Action (Cheryl): CWG to review CCWG stress tests to ensure that these address questions previously raised and/or consider whether additional stress tests/requirements need to be included. Also consider how these relate to RFP 4 work.

  Seun Ojedeji: (08:08) I agree with that suggestion

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:12) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pjRsvePXLHrK0zzFmMcavzvSXehds5FTCEUPPcc7K6w/edit?usp=sharing

  Matthew Shears: (08:15) I think that was the oringinal intent of the MRT

  Jordan Carter (.nz, participant): (08:20) "that"?

  Matthew Shears: (08:20) but agree that we should be driven by need rather than structure

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:28) Queue is now closed

  Chris Disspain: (08:29) the perfect is the enemy of the good is attributed to Voltaire

  Jordan Carter: (08:30) The perfect is also the enemy of many other things

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (08:30) I will concede to Voltaire.

  James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]: (08:31) +1 Alan

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (08:31) Sheryl Sandberg has come up with the pithier "Done is better than perfect."

  Avri Doria: (08:31) one can never go wrong quoting Voltaire

  Jordan Carter: (08:31) "80/20 rule"

  Graeme Bunton - RrSG: (08:31) Voltaire was also a huge proponent of coffee...

  Avri Doria: (08:32) or as we said in NY theater - good enough for the fifth row.

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC): (08:32) “‎Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.” ― Voltaire

  Avri Doria: (08:32) which is where the NYTimes critic sat.

  Chris Disspain: (08:32) one of my favourites 'everything has been said but not everyone has said it yet'

  Matthew Shears: (08:36) cartoons?

  Grace Abuhamad: (08:36) Break for 15min