Attendees:
Sub-Group Members: Donna Austin, Martin Boyle, Avri Doria, Alan Greenberg, Allen MacGillivray, Brenden Kuerbis, Eduardo Diaz, Gary Campbell, Graeme Bunton, Greg Shatan, Guru Acharya, Jaap Akkerhuis, John Poole, Kurt Pritz, Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Robert Guerra, Seun Ojedeji, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy, Staffan Jonson, Stephanie Duchesneau, Suzanne Woolf, Wanawit Ahkuptra, Yasuichi Kitamura, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana, Steve Crocker, Mary Uduma, Sarah Falvey
Staff: Bart Boswinkel, Brenda Brewer, Grace Abuhamad, Theresa Swinehart, Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb
Apologies: David Conrad, Chris Disspain, Milton Mueller, Peter Van Roste, Cheryl Langdon-Orr; Fatima Cambronero
**Please let Grace know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
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1. Return to reviewing the CSC Structural Analysis, which can be found in Google Drive at the following link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEMsYy6ABffka7G1iONO7VzTRlD4UwB0n05UdV8pAjA/edit?usp=sharing
2. Consider the areas of divergence from the surveys (as opposed to areas of convergence, which were explored over the weekend). I will recirculate those emails shortly.
3. Review Section 3 of the Draft Proposal with an eye toward preparing a revised version for discussion in Singapore. A copy of Section 3 is attached.
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Review of CSC Structural Analysis
Entity Status of CSC // Relationship to ICANN
- Communities sign on to recognize the CSC <--> and ICANN will need to recognize them
- Staffan Jonson: Could use Avri's idea of having an IETF or ISOC affiliation so as to keep the CSC limited to technical and operational oversight
- IETF is an "activity" of ISOC -- the 4th step in IETF appeals process is ISOC. So IETF is independent, but lives under the ISOC umbrella.
- Could CSC "hang under" ICANN? Could ICANN be the umbrella for CSC? Yes, if well defined.
- Are we assuming that the role that which is based in the document circulated for this call?
- Staffan Jonson: The role of CSC was to represent Regitries and IANA Functions Operator The role of CSC was to represent Registries and IANA Functions Operator. In that case, the CSC doesn't need to be legally recognized. It could be like any other organization of ICANN
- Greg Shatan: CSC needs to be more inclusive of other stakeholders
- The group that is making the decision for separability is essentially part of the group that the would separate from
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- The CSC doesn't escalate problems itself --> it goes to MRT
- Role and composition are not the same thins. The role of the mission (and the
- Avri Doria (personal): support the idea of the CSC moving if the ICANN. In IETF model, the only relation is for appeals. Should consider talking to the experts who set up this structure
- Martin Boyle: CSC should respond to the multi-stakeholder community and to the customers. Only to MRT if we want to escalate
- Stephanie Duchesneau: clarify the language of "takes direction from" ---> directions should be clarified, presumably the CSC responsibilities which will include both regular monitor duties and addressing particular issues that were flagged by customers. Both of these types of responsibilities should be set forth in some governing documents (charter?) which is what it should be taking directions form.
- Greg: concered that the CSC will become concerned that the CSC will become "cartel-like" ie less multistakeholder and transparent. We need to control for this.
- Martin Boyle: we are looking to raise issue of concern to the supplier... Cartel aspect comes in beause we could fire the operator if we do something the group Cartel aspect comes in because we could fire the operator if we do something the group
- Inclusion of experts lessens the cartel aspect -- experts can raise alarms
- Need to look at function before structure
- CSC is similar to a Level 1 Helpdesk (power to talk and power to act)
- Avri Doria: Power to not act, or refusal to act (in this cse of a bad policy for examplein this case of a bad policy for example)
- Stephanie Duchesneau: registries may not have that incentive.
- Donna Austin: ccTLD have a long relationship with IANA and has set out processes for monitoring... Can someone from ccTLD community speak to this?
- Bernie Turcotte: was the first to set up relationship with ccTLDs and IANA. Eventually became very good relationship. Hope that the CSC will have a similar concept.
- Staffan Jonson and Martin Boyle agree that that the IANA performance is good/satisfactory today.
- Separation between formulating policy and overviewing policy is, and should be the main separation between CSC and MRT
- Martin Boyle: CSC should be more in communicator position rather than enforcer
Organizational Documention Organizational Documentation (Charter, etc.)
- Why a Charter for CSC? Do you mean terms of reference and modus operandi?
- Charter = Terms of Reference + Modus Operandi
- Perhaps add an addendum to clarify what they definition is
Transparency
(all generally agree)
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- Questions formulated to IANA
At aa minimumAt a minimum, should have a more open line of communication with
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· Lawyers peel onions and make OTHERS cry.
Action Items
All to review the CSC Structural Analysis, which can be found in Google Drive at the following link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kEMsYy6ABffka7G1iONO7VzTRlD4UwB0n05UdV8pAjA/edit?usp=sharing
Transcript
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p4vik3iuyp8/
The audio recording is available here: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rfp3-16jan15-en.mp3
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
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