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Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Rules of Procedure WG & Metrics Sub Committee on Monday 16 April 2012
  Sandra Hoferichter:Hi Gisella I am on my desk I dont need a dial out
  Gisella Gruber-White:Thank you Sandra! Welcome
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hello all
  Alan Greenberg:Hello.  
  Eduardo Diaz:Hola to everyone
  Alan Greenberg:How long is this meeting scheduled for (NARALO starts in an hour).
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NP  to that Alan  we are a 60 min max call for today
  Gisella Gruber-White:This meeting is scheduled for 1h
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hola
  Maureen Hilyard:Good morning everyone
  Eduardo Diaz:@Gisella - very good. Some of us have a NARALO meeting right after this one.
  Gisella Gruber-White:yes tight schedule!
  Gisella Gruber-White:We have Spanish interpretation on 1738 channel
  Gisella Gruber-White:Reminder to PLEASE state your names when speaking
  Sylvia Herlein Leite:hello everybody
  Gisella Gruber-White:If you have joined on the telephone line, please mute your computers as we have 2 way audio on the Adobe Connect
  Heidi Ullrich:Hello, Sylvia! Hola!
  Holly Raiche:Good morning everyone
  sergio salinas porto:hi all!
  Eduardo Diaz:Hola sergio
  Heidi Ullrich:Hi, Sergio!
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello everyone
  Sylvia Herlein Leite:Spanish channel is 1738 and NOT 1739
  Sylvia Herlein Leite:and Sylvia too
  Gisella Gruber-White:Spanish is 1738
  Gisella Gruber-White:Sylvia - are you joining the Spanish channel?
  Sylvia Herlein Leite:I'm already
  Gisella Gruber-White:PLEASE mute your microphones if you are NOT speaking
  Gisella Gruber-White:Enabling 2 way audio does create a lot of noise - PLEASE MUTE
  Gisella Gruber-White:Jose Arce will join in 10 minutes
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Fatimata is on Adigo -- she can be muted by Adigo?
  Yaovi Atohoun:Yaovi
  Yaovi Atohoun:too
  Yaovi Atohoun:I am using my audio from the computer
  Gisella Gruber-White:We will be muting ALL NOISY LINES
  Cintra Sooknanan:Hello
  Cintra Sooknanan:Using my computer audio also
  Matt Ashtiani:ALAC Rules of Procedure Working Group - https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/x/VoYiwADvBQ
  Roosevelt King:ok, using computer audio
  Gisella Gruber-White:Yaovi has joined the call
  Heidi Ullrich:The link above is the ROP Section-by-Section wiki page
  Heidi Ullrich:This link is to the ROP WG Workspace: https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/x/RJPbAQpwrvBQ
  Heidi Ullrich:This page has resources, meeting agendas, members of the Group, etc.
  Heidi Ullrich:This is the link to the ALAC Metrics WG Workspace: https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/x/HJfbAQG77wBQ
  Heidi Ullrich:The ALAC Metrics group is a sub-committee of the ROP WG.
  Gisella Gruber-White:Jose Arce has joined the SPanish channel
  Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Jose!
  Jose Arce:Hi all
  Sylvia Herlein Leite:no, tks
  sergio salinas porto:hi jose
  Roosevelt King:hi
  sergio salinas porto:hi roosevelt!!!!!!!!
  Roosevelt King:hey sergio
  Gisella Gruber-White:Baudoin has joined and that was his line - now muted
  Roosevelt King:hope u enjoyed your birthday!!!
  Yaovi Atohoun:Thank you CLO
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My name is misspelt in the Agenda
  Matt Ashtiani:ALAC Rules of Procedure Working Group - RULE 1 - DELEGATES Workspace - https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/x/FbXbAQb4vxBQ
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks for correcting it and for the link
  Matt Ashtiani::-)
  Holly Raiche:Hi Matt
  Holly Raiche:Onead of rationale, shouold that not be rationale?
  Roosevelt King:rules require depth. Rules need not be complex but certainly explicit.
  Roosevelt King:rules should also address contingencies.
  Roosevelt King:leaving rules silent should always be avoided as far as possible.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:We need to minimise "loop holes" where possible
  sergio salinas porto:agree whit tijiani ,)
  Matt Ashtiani:@holly - where are you looking?
  Matt Ashtiani:@holly - OH! i get it! let me take a look
  Matt Ashtiani:correct you are, i will update now
  Cintra Sooknanan:HARMonise (sharing harm?)
  Cintra Sooknanan:lol
  Holly Raiche:Hi Matt - I was looking at the page for Rule 1 - which has the word rational - does that ask whether the rule is rational?  Which is why I think the word is rationale
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:more Harmonics  than Harm
  Heidi Ullrich:Apologies to the ES line, the interpretors could not make out what Fatimata was saying so could not interpret.
  Matt Ashtiani:@holly - thanks for finding that mistake! i have updated all of the pages.
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Wow, that was quick editing, Matt
  Matt Ashtiani:haha, i try!
  Alan Greenberg:"Rules" may be outcome oriented leaving the details to the RALO.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:These are things that will probably have to be discussed during the revisions [power sharing/governance/principles]
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:what in essence does At Large mean
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:Fatima - over to you
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:OK -
  Roosevelt King:in rule 1.1 " The ALAC shall be comprised of two individuals..." "comprised of" should be changed to "composed of" Otherwise should read, " The ALAC shall comprise two individuals..."
  Alan Greenberg:@Roosevelt: or change it so that we don't use words like "comprise" which are not well understood by all.
  Eduardo Diaz:@Roosevelt: I suggest that you include these ideas directly into the wiki. That way everyone will see them moving forward.
  Alan Greenberg:Hopefully we will come to a discssion of hw w go abut suggesting changes befoe the end of the meeting.
  Roosevelt King:there are many grammar flaws in the rules
  Cintra Sooknanan:Yep... I love rules :)
  Cintra Sooknanan:lol
  Fatimata:As suggested in the agenda, we could go from section and rules num and make modif suggestions where neede
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I* dropped  SORYY
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm in via AC
  Darlene Thompson:I have a hard stop at the top of the hour for the NARALO monthly call
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Or  not
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:@ Cheryl - we are dialling you as you still showed connected
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Alan
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we have to be flexible enough to be redraft/restructure instead of limiting it to commenting on provisions
  Fatimata:Can we think about a strategy to move forward?
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Can Adigo call me on 202.662.3303
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:my cell died
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Alan mentioned that the same subject was found at 2 different places treated in different sections
  Fatimata:+1 Alan but I suggest more participation.  Instead of having one person making a corrected draft, can we have the section aloocated to regions
  Eduardo Diaz:@all: That was my question
  Fatimata:and set up a deadline to send drafts
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Since I cannot speak as I am not on the call, my comments are: we have to be flexible enough to be redraft/restructure instead of limiting it to commenting on provisions
  Fatimata:please call me back
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:yes
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:@ Fatimata - we are dialling you now
  Holly Raiche:Alan - I think we should aim for at least one person drawnng issues together - otherwise we will have difficulty arriving at one document
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:@ Sala - got Voicemail for you
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I agree  Sala
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:Fatimata is back
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:We may not be able to get back to you Fatimata  so please put information re uypour comments  here in chat OR  in cpmment on the Wiki
  Holly Raiche:Another issue - drawing themes together in one place is also what Alan was getting at
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I would recommend starting with an illustration like a process map and then draft
  natalia enciso:agree with @Sala too
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:it should be very simple
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:a MindMap? :-)
  Heidi Ullrich:Matt and I will go to the NARALO call now.
  Silvia Vivanco:Cherly could you please re-state the action item
  Heidi Ullrich:Siliva and Gisella will stay on this call.
  Eduardo Diaz:I like mind maps
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:no a process map
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:will comment more on the wiki
  Darlene Thompson:I will be leaving for the NARALO meeting now, too
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you Cheryl, moving to my next meeting
  Eduardo Diaz:Gon eto NARALO - bye
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Goodbye all
  Sylvia Herlein Leite:bye bye
  Alan Greenberg:Bye all.
  Maureen Hilyard:Bye everyone
  Fatimata:Bye everyone
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Bye All!, Take care!
  Jose Arce:Bye all
  Sandra Hoferichter:bye
  Fatima Cambronero:bye all
  sergio salinas porto:bye all
  Yaovi Atohoun:bye
  natalia enciso:by
  Fatimata:Thanks
  Fatima Cambronero:thanks
  Silvia Vivanco:Thank you. Bye
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Sorry we ran 3 mins over  but we did start 4 mons late ;-)
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:mons = mins
  Cintra Sooknanan:bye everyone
  Roosevelt King:bye
  Cintra Sooknanan:good job Cheryl
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: REMEMBER  go visit EACH of the  Rules  pages  ( and the new to be created  'bucket list' or cathc-All comment  page
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and  DO please  Watch the whole space
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: There will need to be a LOT of online activity week by week till Prague
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Thank you one and all
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Indeed, Cheryl
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye for Now
  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All.