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  Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the ALAC ExCom call on Tuesday 30 July 2013 at 1400 UTC
  Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/x/wlF-AgjBNSBg
  Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, All!
  Carlton Samuels:Hiya all, howdy do
  Carlton Samuels:Hi all, I'm on now
  Heidi Ullrich:time is ticking...only 3.5 months to Buenos Aires ;)
  Evan Leibovitch:no matter. as usual we'll have the arrangements two days before the meeting
  Heidi Ullrich:Action Items from Durban: https://icann-community.icann.orgatlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41878873/99597483/Durban+ALAC+and+At-Large+Action+Items+14-19+July+Workspace
  L:L is also known as Lutz Donnerhacke
  Gisella Gruber-White:Lutz - thank you for this!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:arrgh I was dropped
  Gisella Gruber-White:Olivie r- calling you again
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:but listening through Adigo
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:adobe I mean
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:agree with TIjani
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:the concern is how this interfaces with the content
  Carlton Samuels:I was dropped.
  Heidi Ullrich:Will dial you out, Carlton
  Carlton Samuels:I started thinking it was Tijani.....tch
  Carlton Samuels:+1 to Tijani as well
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:fingers crossed Alan...
  Carlton Samuels:...and IO'm back
  Heidi Ullrich:ICANN 101
  Alan Greenberg:Spending too much time on this one...
  Alan Greenberg:HAs "L" been identified??
  Alan Greenberg:Ahh, I see answer aboove.
  Gisella Gruber-White:Lutz
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes  watching brief  is essential...
  Alan Greenberg:Lutz, you can change your screen name by using pull-down menue to right of "Attendees" title - edit my info
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes it could indeed fall in that groups  remot...
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:remIt
  Lutz Donnerhacke:Alan: Thank you. I'm a  computer illiterate (with GUIs)
  Alan Greenberg:Helped  by this being such an intuitive interface!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:"Evan  you should also note that there is a significant set of ICANNers  who will push for a very NARROW  view of sich a deffinition i.e.  to be ONLY limioted to the specifics of ICANN's remot (of unique identifiers only)... so there is much to discuss, and try to build a consencus around
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:again remote  should read remIt  (sorry typing in the dark here)
  Evan Leibovitch:Cheryl, there is a significant set of ICANNers that believe ALAC has no business getting in their way.
  Alan Greenberg:A capilatlized term in a contract with an associated responsibility to fulfil is VERY different from something that a company mentiones and ICANN explicitly assigns to them full responsibility to oversee, including, presuambly, dissolve.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Start with Sally as info gathering, Olivier.  We pick it up in another meeting.
  Carlton Samuels:@CLO: Thank You Very much for pointing this out. Because I will give even money the 'narrow view' will win out!  
  Evan Leibovitch:It is in the interest of many to keep the term obfuscated enough to be meaningless
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:@Evan  =>  REALLY  Wow  I had NO idea
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:LOL
  Heidi Ullrich:Durban AIs: https://icann-community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41878873atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99597483/Durban+ALAC+and+At-Large+Action+Items+14-19+July+Workspace
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Heidi Ullrich: Action Items from Durban: https://icann-community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41878873atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99597483/Durban+ALAC+and+At-Large+Action+Items+14-19+July+Workspace
  Evan Leibovitch:This is why what "a signficant set of ICANNers" want should not frame or limit what we advocate
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://icann-community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41878873atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99597483/Durban+ALAC+and+At-Large+Action+Items+14-19+July+Workspace
  Carlton Samuels:@Alan: My point is whether it is 'pic' or 'PIC' the evidence abounds that there will be no difference to ICANN corporate.
  Carlton Samuels:I'm dropped again...will just go to A/C room now
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Carlton - no dial back then?
  Carlton Samuels:Tell 'em never mind
  Carlton Samuels:I will just listen
  Heidi Ullrich:New Cross-RALO Policy Development Workspace: https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/displayspaces/CRALO/pages/98634378/Cross-RALO+Policy+Development+Activities+and+Processes+Workspace
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Carlton - happy to try alternative number if you have one.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Why not
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:YES
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:?
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Why do we have to?
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:it is a workspace
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:fpr the RALO secs
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:for what purpose?
  Heidi Ullrich:Might the workspace be a topic of the next Cross-RALO call?
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Yes!
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I would think so
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Pass it on, please.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Delegate to RALOs.
  Alan Greenberg:Several sayings come to mind.: The whippings will continue until moral improves. and You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink....
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes  the new page makes great sence
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:O agree OCL  facilitate and enable IS the ALAC / ALT  job
  Alan Greenberg:Why not delegate to RALO leaders on this call??
  Alan Greenberg:(note I usef lower-case L which includes ALAC members in my mind
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:CLO: Was there an action item related to APrIGF during the APRALO meeting?  I cannot quite remember.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes  we have seen some  development in plannoing  woth APNic on our AP region  now as well
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:not out of the APRALO meetoing  bur out of the meeting woth the RIRs
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Yes, saw that on the lists.  Excellent progress.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Alan  would  not the mentioned report  dpo that ??
  Alan Greenberg:I thought I heard there would not be a report.. Maybe my ears are off.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Brainstorming!  All about ideas. :D
  Evan Leibovitch:How many working group and subcommittee members can dance on the heada of a pin?
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:none
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:As many as the nimber of Angles  you can fit X3
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Happy to have the notes!~
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Of course you will be confirmed!
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Thanks!
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Looking forward to that!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I note the AI passed onto me re the  BA meeting prep between ccMSO and ALAC  has not been captured on the AI list page and it needs to be...
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ALSO  note tne above AI  to be added!!!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Also -- please consider answering the questions asked from: https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/display/ATRT2/Durban+-+12+July-18+July+2013[02:32:54] Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: Especially Questions to ALAC: https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/download/attachments/4188417896207405/ATRT2+-+Questions+for+Durban+-+ALACATRT2%20-%20Questions%20for%20Durban%20-%20ALAC.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1373957534000
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/display/ATRT2/Durban+-+12+July-18+July+2013
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://icann-community.icannatlassian.orgnet/wiki/download/attachments/4188417896207405/ATRT2+-+Questions+for+Durban+-+ALACATRT2%20-%20Questions%20for%20Durban%20-%20ALAC.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1373957534000
  Heidi Ullrich:Cheryl, is this ok: Cheryl Langdon-Orr to lead the creation of an ccNSO/At-Large Taskforce to prepare the ccNSO-ALAC Meeting in Buenous Aires.
  Lutz Donnerhacke:Draft for 3b) https://icann-community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41891942&focusedCommentId=41898599#commentatlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102644323/At-Large+Consultation+on+the+Source+of+Policies+User+Instructions+for+Internet+Number+Resource+Requests+Workspace#comment-41898599
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:CLO and Ron (the two counter Liaisons  please
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Lutz => after a quick scan  that looks  fine to me (assuming a spell check will be run through the text to catch a typo or two)... be keen to see whay other comments  come in...
  Evan Leibovitch:I have applied to Beth's and Nii's panels
  Carlton Samuels:@!Strategy Panels: I applied for 2 panels - led by Vint and Nii - both of which were acknowledged.
  Evan Leibovitch:anyone else here applied?
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:me
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Happy to help with that Alan  (as you know)
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes  2 / RALO
  Lutz Donnerhacke:Cheryl: There are at least two typos
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yup
  Alan Greenberg:@CLO Thx (but presumed   :-)  )
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:I support preferential treatment for community supported applications
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:indeed most of us do
  Carlton Samuels:@Evan: +1
  Carlton Samuels:At Tijani on a differentiated approach to GAC's interest: +1
  Carlton Samuels:@Community Priority Application Evaluators: Not convinced they are fit to purpose
  Evan Leibovitch:my reading is the same as alan's.
  Evan Leibovitch:the community criteria was far too narrow. (this affected the success of Applicat Support as well!)
  Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Nothing wrong in saying we support the concept. But also important to let them not read this as the ALAC is lockstep endorsement of their view of the world
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:@Carlton +1
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:+1@olivier
  Carlton Samuels:@Evan: The principle is correct. Working the details can only be to ALAC bebefits if we outline a framework for our engagement.  And this is only assured IF we understand what 'community' means in concept. That comes from case-by-case examination.
  Evan Leibovitch:My reading is the same as alan's. we're talking specifically as reaction to the GAC advice
  Carlton Samuels:@Rinalia: +1. DO we know for sure what the substantive GAC position is on 'community'? Did we not say the GAC was not uninamous?
  Lutz Donnerhacke:/me has to go. CU.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thank Lutz - bye
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Carlton, we need clarity from the GAC.  Then we refine our strategy.
  Carlton Samuels:@Rinalia: +1. I agree with you
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Thank you! :D
  Alan Greenberg:From Communique: Consider to take better account of community views, and improve outcomes for communities, within the existing framework, independent of whether those communities have utilized ICANN’s formal community processes to date.
  Carlton Samuels:Not able to speak
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Great!  @Alan Separation is fine as long as we do it.
  Evan Leibovitch:How ahow AI of RAR, AG and me to work on a statement
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Yes!
  Alan Greenberg:Make me third. My workload  is surreal and I have just come down with a flu...
  Evan Leibovitch:Could staff paste the GAC<statement at the top of the wiki page?
  Evan Leibovitch:(the< relevant para)
  Evan Leibovitch:thanks!
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:Dropped
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Tijani - callin you back
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Huh?  When did Sala resign?
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:Thanks; I'm back
  Heidi Ullrich:in Durban
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:oh, that's news to me.
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:at the end of the CBWG call on Thursday
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:no, the call has to go out
  Alan Greenberg:I heard that a cll would go otu.
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:Ok thanks
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:yes, co-chairs will be welcomed!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Umbrella's  are attractive  yes
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:wiki pages can include subsets of other pages
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yup thos page is a dashboard  of sorts...
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The TTF can also assist
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:of course Alan
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and Yes  Dev
  Carlton Samuels:Gotta run.
  Carlton Samuels:See y'all
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:bye
  Alan Greenberg:Could we have an action item to accurately preduct the length of these meetings?
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:lol
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes we KNOW  Lucod  does help on tbat
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:perhaps we need three ALAC calls a month
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:;-)
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:oy
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:adieu, take care all
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:bye
  Heidi Ullrich:Recording is off
  Gisella Gruber-White:THank you Dev
  Gisella Gruber-White:Lutz has also left the audio bridhge
  Gisella Gruber-White:Recording back on
  Julie Hammer:Bye
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:night
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Happy to keep you updated
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye  all  THANKLS
  Gisella Gruber-White:Thank you all
  Heidi Ullrich:Bye!