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Transcript
Recording
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Proposed Agenda
- Welcome, Roll Call, SoI
- Public comment on Second Draft Proposal - http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-ccwg-accountability-03aug15/
- Update on Human Rights (WP4)
- Draft agenda for our LA Face-to-Face meeting (25-26 September)
- Update on Community forum (WP1)
- Update on Bylaws drafting
- AOB
Notes
Action Items
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer: (9/14/2015 18:58) Welcome all to CCWG Accountability Meeting #53 on 15 September @ 06:00 UTC! Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Roelof Meijer (SIDN, ccNSO): (9/15/2015 00:56) Hello all!
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (00:58) good morning!
Leon Sanchez (Co-chair ALAC): (00:59) Hello everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (00:59) Hi all
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (00:59) hi folks
David McAuley (RySG): (01:00) Hello
Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin): (01:00) Good evening from California, everyone.
Greg Shatan: (01:01) Good night from New York.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:01) Hi Rosemary (afternoon here in AU )
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:01) good evening from 6pm in Wellington on Tuesday
Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin): (01:02) Hi, CLO. These are the meetings where I feel really bad for the East Coast of the US.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:02) Well Yes Jordan we antipodeans are always a day ahead ;-)
Athina Fragkouli (ASO): (01:02) hello all
Roelof Meijer (SIDN, ccNSO): (01:03) @Léon: I'll be on the phone bridge from approx 06.30 UTC
Roelof Meijer (SIDN, ccNSO): (01:03) No audio?
David McAuley (RySG): (01:03) Rooster not here in McLean Virginia so far as I can see
Greg Shatan: (01:03) 2-4 am. Just miss closing time at the bars.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:03) :-)
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:03) wouldn't two hours later be better? ;)
Avri Doria: (01:03) no Roosters in Providence as far as i know.
Roelof Meijer (SIDN, ccNSO): (01:03) I have no audio and will reconnect
Grace Abuhamad: (01:04) Attendance list for F2F is posted here: https://community.icann.org/x/XY5YAw
Grace Abuhamad: (01:04) Remember, to please send us your attendance!
Grace Abuhamad: (01:04) your RSVP, I mean
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (01:05) Greetings!
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (01:05) Santa Monica beaches
Greg Shatan: (01:06) @Jordan, 4-6 am is definitely NOT better than 2-4 am, IMHO
David McAuley (RySG): (01:06) I agree w/Greg, 2am better than 4am
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:06) greg: ok, you are more of a night person than I am ;-)
Arun Sukumar: (01:06) Hello all - missed the SoI call. Just wanted to inform CCWG colleagues that I've moved from the National Law University Delhi to a think tank in the same city, the Observer Research Foundation.
Greg Shatan: (01:06) I'm a jazz musician, not a farmer....
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (01:07) +1 Greg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:07) Congratulations Arun :-)
Arun Sukumar: (01:07) thanks Cheryl!
Leon Sanchez (Co-chair ALAC): (01:08) By the way, Shanah Tovah to all who are celebrating Rosh Hashana
Greg Shatan: (01:08) Thank you, Leon!
Leon Sanchez (Co-chair ALAC): (01:08) :-)
Avri Doria: (01:13) thanks Leon.
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:15) +1 Thomas
Keith Drazek: (01:15) +1 Thomas, very well said.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:15) indeed :-)
Leon Sanchez (Co-chair ALAC): (01:15) Indeed Thomas :-)
Roelof Meijer (SIDN, ccNSO): (01:18) @Brenda/Alice/Grace: I am switching to the phone bridge
becky burr: (01:19) having published a detailed report, we should aim now to "tell our story" in a more compelling and accessible way.
David McAuley (RySG): (01:19) This approach is sensible Thomas, inevitable in light of many thoughtful comments and the importance of this work
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (01:20) Hello everyone, sorry for joining the AC room late
Chris Disspain: (01:21) 'so, the CCWG is simply seeking to better explain it's current proposal rather than re-consider the proposal based on comments?
becky burr: (01:22) good question Greg
Avri Doria: (01:22) Chris that is not what i heard him say. Please.
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (01:22) @Chris : that is not what Thomas said.
Chris Disspain: (01:22) coo;
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:22) I assume a combo of Google Doc / Wiki
Chris Disspain: (01:22) cool rather
Keith Drazek: (01:23) The CCWG needs to assess and address all the public comments.
Chris Disspain: (01:23) no problem - juist wanted o check..I am havong trouble hearing clearly...will re-dial
Greg Shatan: (01:23) Cheryl, I assume the same, but was hoping for an answer from the Chairs...
Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair: (01:23) Chris, we need to work on messaging our final recommendations, whatever these recommendations will look like. We have a lot of comments to analyze, including those from the Board.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:24) Well I will do my best to "make it so' Greg ;-)
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (01:24) And AuDA of course ;-)
Chris Disspain: (01:24) understood Thomas and my apologies for mis-interpreting
Chris Disspain: (01:24) as I said..I need to dial back in with a better connection
David McAuley (RySG): (01:26) Thanks Leon, sounds like a fair summary of WP4 so far
Leon Sanchez (Co-chair ALAC): (01:27) Thanks David :-)
Grace Abuhamad: (01:27) Comments received: http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-ccwg-accountability-03aug15/index.html
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:27) Yes they have done a heroic job!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:27) Thanks Team :-)
Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair: (01:27) In deed, sterling job, staff!
Leon Sanchez (Co-chair ALAC): (01:27) Indeed! Congratulations to Staff!
Arun Sukumar: (01:29) wow
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (01:29) At staff: please kindly prepare a ".zip" download of all comments received, as in previous occasions, thanks!
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:29) Is there a place for us to download all of the comments recieved?
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:29) oh, great minds think alike ;]
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:29) At leat 1 or 2 from the antipodeas ;-)
Arun Sukumar: (01:29) hehe
becky burr: (01:30) 29/88 is not a majority, though it is the largest number from any region
Alice Jansen: (01:30) download all comments page available here --> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56135460
Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]e: (01:30) Sorry we didn't see comments from Registrars
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (01:31) @Alice: thanks!!
Keith Drazek: (01:34) The role of governments/GAC and the voting structures seem to be a major area of question from the public comments submitted.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:35) That was expeted re ST#18 especially
Sébastien (ALAC): (01:37) well done staff
David McAuley (RySG): (01:37) Nicely done @Grace and team
Athina Fragkouli (ASO): (01:37) thank you staff!
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:37) Good work, and reassuring feedback
Izumi Okutani (ASO): (01:37) Helpful summary thanks Grace!
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:38) we've got a good base to work from :-)
Christopher Wilkinson: (01:38) I think the 'three questions' might have been better advertised. Off hand, I still would not know where to find them. CW
Farzaneh Badii: (01:38) When you say you received comments from global organization, do you mean international organizations ?
Arun Sukumar: (01:38) there were 3 responses from India - a quick back of the envelope analysis - all three flag 1) "privileged" status of GAC 2) "independent funding" of the IRP 3) Bylaw language on IANA Functions Review Team powers
Arun Sukumar: (01:38) thanks Grace and team for these inputs
Grace Abuhamad: (01:39) @Farzaneh -- "global" was used for orgs/groups that were not based in a specific georgraphic region
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (01:39) @staff: is the presentation available?
Grace Abuhamad: (01:39) Yes, I will send it to the mailing list now. And we will post to the Wiki as well.
Grace Abuhamad: (01:40) We wanted to present it before sending around
Farzaneh Badii: (01:40) so you mean groups and orgs that had different members from various geographical locations. understood thanks
Grace Abuhamad: (01:40) @Farzaneh, yes :)
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (01:41) @Grace: keeping the attention high? :P
Keith Drazek: (01:42) If the CCWG handles the current assessment of public comments as comprehensively as we did the first round, the final proposal will be even stronger. To Mathieu's point, there's a lot of work to be done by the Work Parties.
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:42) no disagreement
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:42) agreemeny
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:42) (from me, to be clear)
Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]e: (01:42) Stress Test Team isn't stressing over that plan, Mathieu
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:43) Well I am a Stress Physiologist by training so we will manage just fine ;-)
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:43) I am. It'd be helpful if Mathieu you or someone could jot down the task on an email, and circulate it on the list, so we are all clear
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:43) Yes the Legal inout is essential IMO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (01:44) ouch!
Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]e: (01:44) Different models = CMSM and the board's MEM, right?
Farzaneh Badii: (01:44) I am surprised by the low number of answers to the questions. Perhaps next time when we ask the questions we need to publicize them better.
Greg Shatan: (01:45) I draw your attention to the chart that I circulated a couple of days ago, which provided something similar to what you suggest.
Grace Abuhamad: (01:45) Good suggestion @Farzaneh
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:45) Could the lawyers build off Greg's chart?
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:45) I think the lesson is - put the questions on the comment form, and in the report itself
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (01:45) yes Greg, we will borrow as a starting point for more detailed consideration. Thanks!
Farzaneh Badii: (01:45) has any other comment suggested a new model ?
Farzaneh Badii: (01:45) other than the board ofcourse !
Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]e: (01:46) Greg -- one additional aspect of the request for our lawyers is to assess how well CMSM and MEM would meet CCWG requirements
Greg Shatan: (01:46) @Holly, I won't charge you! ;-)
Greg Shatan: (01:46) @Steve, that I did not explore...
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (01:47) ;)
Grace Abuhamad: (01:47) Yes @Farzaneh. There was a comment from Erman Öncel - Partnership Istanbul that suggested a type of accountability forum. But otherwise, comments seemed to focus on enhancing existing models
Keith Drazek: (01:47) @Farzaneh: In addition to the Board's comments, some other contributions suggested alternative approaches, though perhaps not new "models."
Grace Abuhamad: (01:48) correct @Keith
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:49) it has to be feasible :-)
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:49) it's the big picture foundations we need to get clear on and the differences between the approaches
Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]e: (01:49) @Holly -- the matrix could have ... requirements as rows, and a column for CMSM and column for MEM?
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:49) so less detail but more clarity is my preference
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (01:49) yes Steve, yes Jordan
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:54) Work In Progress, is the shortest possible summary :)
Chris Disspain: (01:56) what woud the benefit be of doing the work on bylaws for things that have not reached consensus yet?
Avri Doria: (01:58) Becasue bylaws work requires a degree of specificity. also some of the issues that require bylaws are not being disagreed with
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (01:58) one benefit: that writing things down in the bylaws is much more precise than a narrative description of the same. so it might help tease out precise issues to resolve, and create more clarity about exactly how the proposed elements work & fit together
Chris Disspain: (02:00) It does..it mean we should hold back on any drafting until we have alaysed
Farzaneh Badii: (02:00) :)
becky burr: (02:00) a "certain level" of consensus is the key. in those cases, the writing exercise will, as Avri suggests, tease ou any remaining unresolved issues
Greg Shatan: (02:02) It makes sense to me, but then again I'm a lawyer.....
Malcolm Hutty: (02:03) seeing that actual text is useful to make sure what we're arguing about is the same point, and not a mutual misunderstanding
Malcolm Hutty: (02:04) @Jordan: +1
Greg Shatan: (02:05) Def not all boys... :-)
Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]e: (02:08) bylaws detail helps with Implementation, not with Communication
Izumi Okutani (ASO): (02:08) I agree with this approach Jordan
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (02:08) also with Decision
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (02:08) people really do hang on to the concrete
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (02:09) (as they should -- who would sign a contract based on a description of it, after all? :-) )
Izumi Okutani (ASO): (02:10) We can leave the unresolved issues to be highlighted but starting work on Bylaws would be helpful rather than leaving it completely leave it untouched to start working
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (02:11) in drafting bylaws inevitably issues will come up that havent yet been discussed in any detail and so the process of drafting helps to illuinate ares that need discussion
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (02:11) "areas that need discussion"
Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (02:12) For the record, we would of course prefer to take first draft and will of course work cooperatively with ICANN lawyers
Greg Shatan: (02:12) Holly, great point. It's a great thought exercise.
Greg Shatan: (02:12) I can guarantee that the first draft will not be the last draft....
Arun Sukumar: (02:12) to flag additional travel support to CCWG participants for LA F2F - why are these being routed through SO/AC leadership? chartering orgs have had an opportunity to nominate fully supported members.
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (02:12) I just want to thank all of you - for being here, for sticking with participating in this process
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (02:13) +1 Jordan. This is very rewarding !
Keith Drazek: (02:13) Thanks everyone. Lots of work ahead, but all very worthwhile.
becky burr: (02:13) agree Jordan
Farzaneh Badii: (02:13) Thanks. bye.
Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (02:13) seeyou all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC - APRegional Member: (02:13) Good call thanls everyone ... Talk again soon Bye for now
David McAuley (RySG): (02:13) Thanks all
Greg Shatan: (02:13) Bye all!
jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): (02:13) bye
FIONA ASONGA (ASO): (02:13) bye
Athina Fragkouli (ASO): (02:13) bye all
Izumi Okutani (ASO): (02:13) thanks all bye