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Sub-Group Members: Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Steve DelBianco, Jonathan Zuck, Fin Petersen, Eberhard Lisse, Rafael Perez, Samantha Eisner
Staff: Alice Jansen, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Theresa Swinehart
Apologies:
**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
Transcript
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p5huix6yvpp/
The audio recording is available here: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-stress-test-18mar15-en.mp3
Proposed Agenda
Notes
Action Items
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
Alice Jansen: (3/18/2015 05:47) Welcome to the ST-WP call #2. Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Brenda Brewer: (05:58) Please stand by while the audio bridge gets set up. Slight delay today.
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (05:59) There was apparently some stress test that Adobe overlooked...
Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (05:59) Conf bridge operator had no call scheduled for STRESS TESTS. He hung up on me!
Brenda Brewer: (05:59) They are activating it right now. My apologies!
Alice Jansen: (06:02) the document may be found at: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52232556/Applying%20Stress%20Tests%20%5BDraft%20v7%20-%20SE.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1426071415000&api=v2
Alice Jansen: (06:04) Brenda is working on Cheryl's dial-out - thanks for your patience.
Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (06:04) we finished last ST call at end of page 4 in the document.
Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:06) am still trying to call in
Alice Jansen: (06:06) For those who are joining us, the call has not started yet - we are waiting for Cheryl to join (dial-out issues)
Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:07) am in
Alice Jansen: (06:09) Cheryl is now on the call
Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (06:10) Sam Eisner sent text for Compromise of Credentials (#11): ICANN has committed to annually seeking SysTrust Certification for its role as the Root Zone KSK manager, which it has done every year since 2010. https://www.iana.org/dnssec/systrust. The IANA Department has achieved EFQM Committed to Excellence certification for its Business Excellence activities. http://www.iana.org/about/excellence. Under C.5.3 of the IANA Functions Contract, ICANN has undergone annual external, independent audits of its security provisions for the IANA functions.
Finn Petersen, GAC: (06:11) This stress test no. 21 is in conflict contries which national regulation
Berry Cobb: (06:12) ccwg-accountability4@icann.org
Brenda Brewer: (06:12) ccwg-accountability4@icann.org
Steve DelBianco [GNSO-CSG]: (06:12) Its "ccwg-accountability4@icann.org"
Alice Jansen: (06:15) Cocktail ends at 8:30 PM
Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:19) what page are we on now?
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:20) The stakes are different but are the means to hold the organization accountable necessarily different?
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:20) page 6
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:20) FINALLY in the AC Room !!
Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:20) Thanks Jonathan
Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:21) sorry I hope I muted in time, had a coughing fit :-)-O
Samantha Eisner: (06:38) I think its fine to have a stress test focusing on the RZM, and we can address it. We're just not getting to the right issues in the stress test as currently written
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:39) Thus a rewrite of the 'problem statement is needed... Agree 2Sam
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:39) @sam
Samantha Eisner: (06:39) When we discuss immunity, it's not clear that immunity means there's the ability to ignore court orders, but only immunity from liability for their actions
Samantha Eisner: (06:40) Agree with Jonathan that focusing on ICANN may make this clearer
Samantha Eisner: (06:42) Sure
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:47) Exactly
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (06:51) especially since both of thos things will be subject to interpretation by the board and not really matters of "fact"
Samantha Eisner: (06:53) Can I clarify the insurance/cost issue?
Samantha Eisner: (06:55) Agree that it should NOT stop from accountability measures
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:56) Exactly @Jonathan
Samantha Eisner: (06:56) just suggesting that accountability measures as we've discussed here that the community could - as a result of the challenge - that litigation could be forced. BUT having other levels of accountability measures are key, all teh way up to spilling the Board
Eberhard Lisse [.NA ccTLD Manager]: (06:56) I fully agree
Samantha Eisner: (06:56) +1 Jonathan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (06:56) YUP
Samantha Eisner: (07:08) This may not be a stress test that we solve through specific accountability measures, but we need to clearly test every proposed solution to assess teh ability for capture
Samantha Eisner: (07:17) there are no exclusions in the reconsideration or IRP that would preclude ccTLD operators from invoking
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:21) Yes, this conversation is happening in wp2 and has not yet been resolved
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:21) ahhh Thanks @Jonathan, so we will have more later
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:26) this questio n isn't our remit at the moment. we just need to identify risks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:28) Agree Thank you @Jonathan... We will of course need to discuss the proposed mechanism(s) later runing this ST...
Alice Jansen: (07:34) Letter can be found here https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Letter+to+CCWG-Accountability+CoChairs
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:35) Yes
Finn Petersen, GAC: (07:37) The stress semms reasonable - but further diaogue is needed with the GAC
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:48) contracted party market power falls under antitrust jurisdiction of the party
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (07:49) Exactly
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:01) Istanbul
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:01) Franfurt
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:02) Great job guys. Great sub group.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (08:02) Bye all THANK to you all :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (08:03) Staff in Nots Timeline REDline
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (08:03) Notes *sigh*