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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
Gisella Gruber:
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone, this is the ALAC ExCom Conference call on Friday, 30 March 2012. And the time is 1302 UTC. We have a pretty busy agenda today so the call will last possibly an hour and a half, hopefully not more. And we will start immediately with the roll call, please.
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The first one, the At-Large Working Groups, and that was Olivier to ask the chairs of ACs and SOs if there's interested in holding an open session on SOPA in Costa Rica. Obviously there was. And of course the SOPA discussion is still very much in the news at the moment. SOPA, ACTA, everything. I think several of us attended the ccNSO section, is that correct? The question now is to basically ask the chairs of ACs and SOs, I have done that.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Carlton Samuels: Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Heidi Ullrich:
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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That’s true. Quite frankly Chair I am between two matters in this, registrars are the business. They come up and they get, there is a process in which there are accredited and so on. And the fact that it could be good if you have a shift of more registrars to the self and all that given the growth of the internet and so on. But I am not sure that this is something that we want to wade into too deeply. It's a question of business practice and how business
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works. What we might want to do is to use the outreach possibilities that are available to us to encourage registrar business models to develop from themselves that might help to improve the number of registrars accredited from other than the United States. It seems to me that’s one way to do it.
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Alan Greenberg:
otherwise those metrics in their own recommendations to the ICANN Board.
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Evan Leibovitch: Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Carlton Samuels: Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Thank you Tijani. I think -
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Chair?
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Rinalia Abdul Rahim:
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
Thank you Rinalia. Actually you are all right, all of you are absolutely correct in what you're saying. It's actually a mix between the two I think, the certainly harmonization and capacity building within probably the same Working Group working on both will probably be what will happen. However, we do need to keep those two subjects apart for specific reasons. First of course because the ICANN Academy has now got a life of its own and if there is outreach for other SO and AC chairs specifically for this test pilot.
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Carlton Samuels:
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Tijani Ben Jemaa:
test. I think the conversation about the convergence and the harmonization has already begun. And I think it's a good thing. I think we should - what they were saying is that the online component, if you add it as a part of the entire package would actually cost very little because most of what would have been committed would have come from volunteer effort, thank you.
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
Alan Greenberg:
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member as well as a new GNSO members as well as a new At- Large or ALAC member. That part of capacity building I think is always going to be ours no matter what happens in the Academy, thank you.
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr:
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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Heidi Ullrich:
Yes I just wanted to let everyone know that on Monday after the meeting, I had the opportunity to have breakfast with Marilyn Cade and she took the opportunity to stress her concerns about the Academy and the need for wider capacity building activities within ICANN and within the ACs and SOs towards this project. And I did stress that the Academy was planning on having that in the future, that this was a pilot project.
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Heidi Ullrich:
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And this is something I'm not sure if it's pertinent at this time, but it's something that Olivier and I discussed this past week and I had a chance to discuss more with Mandy Carver a few days ago is perhaps Cheryl right before you have your first call of the Outreach Working Group that there be a briefing call with the new VPs of the global partnerships.
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Or even earlier I think. Yes.
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Is the - from what I understand this is just a pilot or a test form that is not in use yet. Perhaps it would be good just following up and I'd be happy to share it with everyone else on the ExCom. Okay so we move to the next thing Garth said the new form was a step backwards, that’s how he fired on it. Events roadmap, so ALAC to vote on the draft ALAC statement on the WHOIS Review Team Draft Report during the ALAC wrap-up session on Wednesday 14 March, and that was done and the statement was passed, thanks for this.
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But sorry Olivier - I'm not sorry Olivier just sorry to jump in. My point of raising that is whilst Rinalia said it's not no yet, it may be
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Thank you Olivier. I just wanted Heidi it's really more directed to you to perhaps follow up with meetings and Diane. I assume that
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of people that are sitting around a single U-shaped table you really don’t get a chance to do what we were able to do. It's not a matter of that you're eating food at it, it's a matter at you have little round tables where you have personal engagement. And that’s what I'm hoping that we can do on a regular basis as opposed to okay it's our turn now, thanks.
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meeting. The one which is listed here is ALAC to send invitation to have a meeting on the human rights, rights of internet users. Can anyone refresh me on this? Evan?
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Heidi Ulrich:
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Evan Leibovitch:
Heidi Ullrich:
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Actually Heidi I suggest putting that off until we discuss the next issue coming up from the GAC because that also involves Jean Jacques.
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Okay thank you Alan for this note and certainly there's even discussion in the IGC about this and in the IGF, some people wanted to make that some event related to human rights and there
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You probably had an ASO and a NRO Chair.
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Alan Greenberg: Cheryl Langdon-Orr:
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Rapidly and it's the ExCom meeting and so if you have downloaded the page a while ago, you might wish to refresh because a few things were added to it. The first one, staff to remind Xavier of the question from Sala on the percentage of the
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Heidi Ullrich: Matt Ashtiani:
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Okay it might be good to remind the Board or perhaps I could send a copy of this over to the Chairman of the Board so as to remind them of the big reservations we have about this. And definitely noting that the vote itself, that took place was not a - so next statements currently being drafted or reviewed by the ALAC, and I'm glad to say that many of them are already on the way.
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
Evan Leibovitch:
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On the other hand we better do our homework, we ought to be consulting other sources, for instance, best practices outside ICANN on conflict of interest because we certainly aren’t the first organization to be doing this. What I mean to say though is that we have a number of statements in front of us that are dealing specifically with the timeliness of the issue and the urgency while essentially making a statement that will commit ourselves, that will commit ALAC to producing a future document that will outline specific recommendations based on best practices elsewhere and further study on the issue.
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I have not talked to Jean Jacque about this issue but I know he's passionate on the issue of conflict of interest. So in fact what I'm going to suggest here at the ExCom is to create a statement that gels together with what Carlton and Tijani and myself and others have done in the workspace, but something that conveys the urgency and importance of the matter while acknowledging that our work isn't finished and charging the Future Challenges Working Group which has already been working on this in the sense to come up with a more detailed document, and more detailed analysis, that comes out with specific recommendations. Thanks for your indulgence.
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Alan Greenberg:
Thank you Evan and several people have now put their hands up so there's a queue, first Alan Greenberg.
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Alan Greenberg: Cheryl Langdon-Orr:
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At any rate what is going to be required in my view is that we have to acknowledge the contracted parties as stakeholders and they have a right to be at the table and what we might wish to do is probably as the way we go about choosing the board and looking at it we might have to clear the deck and see what we can do again. And this is one of the reasons I think the Future Challenges Working Group might be a proper place to do a more long-term analysis of what we might say in this respect. So I look forward to us deciding on having an interim statement that is probably a little bland but certainly giving the heads-up to everybody else in the
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Carlton Samuels:
community that we're going to look at it in depth before we make any further comments. Thank you.
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Tijani Ben Jemaa:
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Evan Leibovitch:
Okay, thank you Tijani. I also heard that you were breaking up a little bit towards the end of your sentence. I thought it was me. Okay, thanks Tijani. Agreed and next we have Evan.
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Rinalia Abdul Rahim:
Evan Leibovitch:
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We have claimed a number of times vociferously that the multi- stakeholder model is what is going to save the public level, public interest, and he is making a strong statement against that from some perspectives at least that is how it is viewed by some. So to mention it fine, to imply that we are rubberstamping it and supporting it, and the rubberstamp is the right word, without a lot of caveat I think is potentially a dangerous path to follow. Thank you.
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I do not disagree with that at all Cheryl. I'm just saying that if you look at the statement timing is everything on this and I am yet to see anybody convinced to make the case that what Rod Beckstrom
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did in this statement did not precipitate a movement forward on this. Remember our issue is for the public interest. It's not just about the statement for the documents. It's about what we're projecting for the public, that's how we're positioning this.
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I think that this is something which we heard about in the last meeting prior in Dakar as well. It was an extensive discussion and I'm just uneasy about putting too much weight to Rod's speech as in saying you know since the CEO has come up with this we're now working on that. It just shouldn't be perceived as that. Alan and then we'll close this discussion.
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Alan Greenberg:
Yeah, just to return once more you know you just said that the board has been working on this and we should make a statement saying we're going in the right direction. The direction they have been going in has resulted in among other things the Chair and the Vice Chair of the board do not participate in any discussion about New gTLDs and plus other members.
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Okay, so if we can publicize this over to them that will be great. The next one is the Fake Renewal Notices Report. And Alan you started work on this I understand preparing a statement and you
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Okay fine, that's was I was asking.
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Oh sorry. No, I think where we left it was that the working group had a meeting and we discussed the components of the statement and Edmund said that he would do the first draft, but we also agreed that we need more people in the group with multilingual and technical skills. So I think Julie Hammer is going to be absorbed by the group and I think Jean Jacque recommended some
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I have briefly read the proposal. It looks like a lot more has gone into it. I think we would look pretty unpopular if we were to contradict any of this work having not even indulged in the earlier discussions that took place in which by the way our open mailing list which we can all subscribe to if we wish to as well. So I suppose we can decide not to have a statement on this except if
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Alan Greenberg:
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Yes, but still I was typing in response to that and your current [inaudible 01:30:56].
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Tijani Ben Jemaa:
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Yes just for clarification. Olivier can you state an action item on this. Is Carlton leading, but also will Holly be involved?
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Yeah it's the deadline for the reply period.
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It's vitally important from the feedback that we have received so far. It's vitally important that all of the communities in ICANN are involved in putting the curriculum together. One concern that was expressed was if only one part of ICANN provides the course to all of the people it will only give a one-sided view of what ICANN is
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Thank you Alan. The concern I have with regards to calling it a Cross Community Working Group is that this would involve creating charters and this would also have the possibility of delaying or stalling the process of the working group moving forward by having competing charters and people using the making up of a charter as a tool to slow the work down.
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Which is why some have subjective to the formalization that the GNSO has gone through and preferred more ad hoc nevertheless.
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Now a couple of things to bring forward, the first one is to just bring you up to date and I guess it is for the record as well on the LACRALO event that took place in Costa Rica. It was a resounding success, the Capacity Building sessions were all fully filled with people. The only thing that was a bit of a hiccup on was
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the GA with the rewriting of the bylaws. That took a lot more then originally expected.
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Carlton Samuels:
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unfortunate the ombudsman inadvertently circulated it, but it actually exacerbated the situation, so just to make mention of that.
Okay, thank you Carlton. So then moving to the last thing I wanted to touch on and that was the statement of interest ALAC page which is a follow-up on an action item we had prior to Costa Rica. And that was a page we initially thought was going to be put up on the www.ALAC.ICANN.org website, but do to current unavailability of staff to update that Matt and I decided that it would probably be a lot better and maybe better for us to control to have it on our wiki.
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Okay, so I think that's all. There's one last bit. Oh yeah, one more thing I wanted to add, today is Silvia's birthday.
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Tijani Ben Jemaa:
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Olivier Crepin-Leblond:
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So Silvia Happy Birthday and I guess we're taking all your birthday time right now, so maybe it will be time for this meeting to be adjourned pretty quickly. Any other business and if that's not the case then this meeting is adjourned and Silvia you can go pop the champagne bottle and start your party. Thanks very much everyone.
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