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Rinalia Abdul Rahim:hi, Gisella.  No call yet.
  Gisella Gruber-White:on its way
  Heidi Ullrich:Hello everyone!
  Gisella Gruber-White:Rinalia - we are dialling back to you
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:I'm in!
  Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome Evan
  Heidi Ullrich:Rinalia, the interesting hours are part of the bonding process ;)
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:of course, Heidi! ;)
  Evan Leibovitch:Hi all.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Hi, Evan!
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:No additions for me.
  Heidi Ullrich:15 Nov ExCom AIs: https://community.icann.org/display/alacexcomm/ALAC+ExCom+15.11.11+Action+Items
  Sebastien:OK Olivier
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Whichever option works faster and most effective to get us moving!
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Agreed.
  CLO:Sorry  the AC room did NOT wan't  to load for me had to re-start
  Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Cheryl!
  Evan Leibovitch:the wonders of threaded mail readers :-) they're life savers
  Gisella Gruber-White:NPOC - all confirmed now with attendees so Doodle will be going out today with options for next Thursday and Friday and early the following week
  CLO:On the  wind-up of WG's  matter  *please note* it is MORE than a bandwidth issue  it is a matter of  the order of things  nomenclaturre and some  templating  has been discussed and now need actioning.. Then it goes to next stepo it as an AI should be not only the lower priority that it is but  marked as  IN  PROGRESS  and will continue  like that until later on (whicch IS the bandwidth matter)  it  need be reviewed each meeting  but marked for a progresss report  to ExCom in  Meeting #43  later planning  and report to ALAC  AT the next  F2F meeting =>  NOTE  I  have said this several times before
  Evan Leibovitch:Next steps... limiting ourselves to two-syllable words.
  CLO:Alan arued and ytou  agreed that the Exec Sum  is a  THING   people  would  auto read  BUT the Public Particiaption guidelined already adopted  ICANN wide   saiys  ExCo's  must  be used in formal docs  ( along woth other  formating
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Cheryl. Good point
  CLO:the  Exec Summary  is a  thing  that like the staff cover page  should  just  exist
  CLO:  thinkl of it as a  synopsis  if that helps you
  Sebastien:Maybe if it short name this doc an executif summary
  CLO:yes  of use the  Synopsis  / abstract  appraoch
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:For purposes of information searches I agree with Cheryl that we need an abstract/exec summary label.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Label the one pager as Exec Summary.
  CLO:Not all that different  to the ist link on a oage rule  in google searches
  CLO:should read 1st link
  CLO:it is also going to come up again  in ther template  AI
  Evan Leibovitch:Of course, there should be a general goal to try to copy-edit docs to make the *entire* documents more suscinct. There's a lot of fluff, and sometimes things that are introductions (ie, the history of how a doc was made) are better places as appendices
  Evan Leibovitch:Tom and Dick, sure. Not sure about Harry.
  CLO:perhaps  you can title your cal  for EoI's  endorsed  by the Regions  to the regions
  CLO:cal = Call
  CLO:no good having a person NOT supported by the region'  that  can happen of course  should be an AI  ON each RALO meeting
  CLO:corret  Tijani the WT  recommendations  was to shift  from 5  ALAC Meembers  from Geo regions  and  to ADD 5 RALO reps
  CLO:no n= 10  Members
  CLO:2 per  GEO Region/REALO  and 50% ALAC  50%  RALOs  for  At-Large
  CLO:this IS a matter of ALAC  Improvements   Implementation  BTW
  CLO:NOT  a suggestion
  CLO:it IS what if IS
  CLO:as Tijani saiys
  CLO:  NO  onkky 0
  CLO:10
  CLO:5 + %
  CLO:5+5
  Evan Leibovitch:wanting is one thing. fulfilling is another. even if it is a requirement, WG population is a challenge unless you just want people listed by name who don't show up
  CLO:plus others  can  be   'on the list in the wikis  in meetings as observers
  Heidi Ullrich:I need to step away for a few minutes, but will remain on the call
  CLO:The repopul;ation is ONKY required  as  people  have left the ALAC
  CLO:or were serving  for the ALAC  and now  no longer belong   etc.,
  CLO:
  CLO:it is NT repopulating  a WG  os is perhaps  best  thought od being  an APPOINTMENT  to this SC  and  in this  SC  there are SKILLS  required
  CLO:it is also  specific  to several of the points   in ALAC  Improvements implementation
  CLO:utalise them in OTHER  WG's  there is only  a few  (in this case  1)  Sub Cimmittee
  CLO:he also requeste the B&F  SC
  CLO:Ganesh  that is
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:That should be stated on the staff call for volunteers in WGs etc.
  CLO:it is one of the reasins  we have appointment of  "ALAC leads / liaisons to WG's to ensure there is always  some ALAC leadership in ALL WG's  but of course  WG's are not limited to just  1 ALACer in each WG
  CLO:WG's  deliberatly  need  more  inout  from RALOs  and ALSes and Rank and file  ALS  or RALO membership where a RALO has Individual Membership)  as well as  being OPEN to ALL 'in theory' at least
  CLO:So sorry about my typos  at this hour  I do literally type in the dark  and I'm a lousy typer any way ;-)
  CLO:at least in Skype  chat I can correct  in AC   it is always  an error made is there for all time ;-(
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Is it possible to consolidate action items?  They are repeated because we review them based on dates of meetings.
  CLO:Yes  that would  help  Rinalia  and in fact the new  listing  method  for AI's  will get this as an 'easier to do'  matter as well IMO
  Heidi Ullrich:I'm back at my computer.
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:For future meetings could we just review the consolidated list of AIs?
  CLO:be a plan  yup  and would help shorton main ALAC meetings as well
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:question about next ALAC calls?
  CLO:I also have a suggestion as to how it can be made easier to track in the  what is happeining on the wiki spaces  and what  is in the open for comments management system
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:Yes
  Heidi Ullrich:Gisella will send the calendar
  CLO:for example  your (ALAC's) methods have changed radically  over the last few moinths  so needs to be properly integrated
  Heidi Ullrich:I think G will be able to do it before the end of the call!
  Sebastien:I maybe cut
  Sebastien:I am ;)
  Heidi Ullrich:Would you like a dial out?
  Sebastien:no
  Evan Leibovitch:That's already the case.
  Sebastien:I am back
  Sebastien:Any ex-IDN liaison?
  CLO:Yes  we have  Seb
  CLO:in ascii as  well we have => we can  say  we have NO objection to the  paper  AND pour support is consitant  with ALAC advice  previously made  in other TLDs
  Heidi Ullrich:ALAC Statement on the Draft Final Report on Policy Aspects Regarding Introduction of Single Character IDN TLDs: http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-03jan11-en.htm
  Heidi Ullrich:All previous statements are listed under the Correspondence tab
  Heidi Ullrich:http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence
  Evan Leibovitch:I am personally opposed to three-letter ccTLDs
  Evan Leibovitch:(in latin script)
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:i'm hearing echoes
  Sebastien:for .info
  Evan Leibovitch:olivier, you just went all spacey
  Sebastien:http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201003-en.htm#info
  Heidi Ullrich:Sebastien, your line has been muted
  CLO:noted  Evan  but we were talking gTLD's  here ( as  .ASIA  is a g TLD
  CLO:yes  it is the 2nd  level issue  here  as we did in the case of  .INFO
  Sebastien:ALAC didn't comments for the same topic on .info, .cat;
  Sebastien:.biz no comment
  CLO:Rinalia   we can  raise this in the APRALO  call so that HOLLY os a Regional Rep in the  whois  WG
  CLO:that solves  the issue  both ways  ;-)
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:ok!
  Sebastien:And the 2 people members from the Whois RT?
  CLO:it is not  just the WG  it is the response to the PC  Evan
  CLO:yes  which is why she wiill be oerfect  for it
  Heidi Ullrich:ALAC Agenda from 22 November: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+22.11.11+-+Monthly+Teleconference
  CLO:as log as it does not  disinfrqnchise the WHOIS  WG  which we already have formed  and takes inti account  list activities  discussions  recent and past  etc.,  etc.,
  Evan Leibovitch:I recommend penguin-based computers.
  CLO:log = ling in the above point of mine...
  CLO:erghh  log = ling  =  LONG  * sigh*
  Sebastien:Tijani it is not yet setup
  CLO:that is quite an assumotion  Evan
  CLO:that he has  gone t the componant parts of ICANN
  CLO:I HOPE  he has  but\
  CLO:so it all went   into lost in translation   a bit as well
  CLO:Ohhh yes
  CLO:this  could be very messy indeed (Rgionally speaking)
  CLO:Give it your best  shot...
  Evan Leibovitch:the AFRALO neeting was able to be held -- in part -- thanks to the sacrifice of other RALOs. I would not assume continued and ongoing sacrifice
  CLO:In  LACRALO  was  VERY soecific on that Evan  when they  gave their sacrifice / support
  Evan Leibovitch:Perhaps we should be more strategic and consider pushing harder for Summit II
  Tijani:Yes Evan, and all AFRALO ALSes are thankful of the EURALO and LACRALO,
  Evan Leibovitch:The only thing overlooked is that we are now at 2hrs
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Got cut off.
  Evan Leibovitch:@Tiani... I was not meaning to elicit thanks, so much as to emphasize that the sacrifice was a one-time effort and cannot be relied upon to be repeated.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:It will not. We have made it clear in the past
  CLO:this matter is impoertant  to Rinalia  and SHE has been discinnected
  Evan Leibovitch:I am OK with staggered times to share ther pain
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:are we talking about meeting time?
  Evan Leibovitch:yes
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:I'm ok with the time.
  Gisella Gruber-White 2:I got cut off
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Friday?
  Heidi Ullrich:Please let us know how Friday looks
  CLO:2100 - 2300 UTC  often works  for meetings  in my experience
  CLO:gets  AP in (OK
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:thanks everyone!
  CLO:is G looking to all these drop outs  with the teleconf providor?
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:There certainly are more dropouts than there ever were in the past
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:so many people got dropped yesterday it was like watching snow fall
  CLO:seems ti be in a bqd oatch for a number of our calls   9INCLE  NIN alac  ONES)
  CLO:INCLUDING NON ALAC ones
  CLO:last week was bad to  for other WG's
  CLO:hmmmm
  Sebastien:Yes I can confirm CLO
  Sebastien:Take care
  CLO:ok  at 0342   signig off then
  CLO:bye
  Heidi Ullrich:Welcome to the ExCom call of 14 December
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:hello
  Matt Ashtiani:hello everyone!
  Carlton Samuels:Hi Everyone
  Evan Leibovitch:does the senate hearings count as "public comment"?
  Heidi Ullrich:23 November ExCom AIs: https://community.icann.org/display/alacexcomm/ALAC+ExCom+23.11.11+Action+Items
  Evan Leibovitch:Just going through my email. Beau has indeed responded to me that he would repopulate the Registrant Rights WG ... but it hasn't happened yet.
  Heidi Ullrich:Staff will start a section on the AIs "To be completed in Costa Rica"
  CLO:I would expect a similar one  for us   to that  Yes  Alan
  CLO:an intro and a mutual bebenifts  . opportunities  follow up chat
  Heidi Ullrich:It actually has already been set up :) - Thanks Matt!
  CLO:shifting to the regional  focus  for the work and the AC's formally at the F2F meetings  as required...
  Heidi Ullrich:Silvia will be the main staff support for the RoP WG.
  Heidi Ullrich:@Cheryl, the development of a glossary will be very useful for the Beginner's Guide on participating in At-Large.
  Heidi Ullrich:Which is now in a rough draft form
  Evan Leibovitch:[ hanging up and dialing back in to get rid of the echo coming from my line. ]
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok Evan
  Carlton Samuels:im having a difficult time hearing CLO
  CLO:Carlton what they should be doing IMO  is sticking to coimment on the matters of Consent as NEWLY defineed IN the Public Comment we have out  now  for the FoI-WG chapter "Consent" that is all
  Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1.  The channel via which a NARALO communique is sent to the ccNSO is a very important issue
  Carlton Samuels:This is a case where the proceedural matter is equally important in context of the contents of the letter!
  Carlton Samuels:really bad echo on the line fromCLO!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:echo also heard here. Someone's on  speakerphone
  CLO:as ccNSO Liaison  oif NARALO want to send on their behalf  NOT ALAC's  to the Council I'm happy to pass it on   but it does NIT imply endorsement or concsent  by ALAC  IMO
  Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Which is precisely why I raised the issue!!
  Evan Leibovitch:There is one thing to give constructive input to the ccNSO re the FoI. But if NARALO still wants to give advice to *ICANN* as a matter of At-Large advice that is different (and IMO still legiotimate)
  Carlton Samuels:...and my call for caution! We must be mindful of what is construed using this channel!
  CLO:No Council  beyond tnat given in DAKAR  has been sort at all
  Carlton Samuels:@Evan: I agree
  CLO:My council of course would be as above respond  to the matters  IN the current  and RELEVANT  future  PC's on th matter is what I would be saying
  Evan Leibovitch:+1 to liaison passing the message and being very clear wrt its source
  CLO:the drafters of the letter seem to have different  concepts however... *sigh*
  Evan Leibovitch:Hey, it's bottom up. It isn't always tidy ;-)
  CLO:beleive me  @Evan it would be VERY  cautiosly handleled indeed IF  I havr to pass it on at all..
  Evan Leibovitch:The region is very angry that the redelegation was allowed to occur. They may not even be clear on the circumstances and the remedies. But they have absolutely every legitimacy to raise the issue as a matter of diminishing (in the eyes of the region) the stability, security and public trust in the DNS.
  Carlton Samuels:I'm kicked off!
  Nathalie  Peregrine:We're dialling out to you Carlton
  Carlton Samuels:back on
  Carlton Samuels:The quality of audio is really very bad for me!
  Carlton Samuels:Tijani was just a bundle of echoes
  Carlton Samuels:Alan is speaking from the bottom of a barrel!
  Evan Leibovitch:might be your line. I hear hom fine.
  Carlton Samuels:I'm in the void now, betwixt and between!
  Carlton Samuels:I can't hear a ....ok I'm hearing something now
  Nathalie  Peregrine:@Carlton, I can hear fine, would you like us to dial out to you again?
  Carlton Samuels:@Nathalie: Maybe not.  I have carpenters banging on wood next door, the gardener running a lawnmower  so...
  Carlton Samuels:Let me see if I can get even a sense of what is being said
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Alright, please let me know.
  Carlton Samuels:@JAS Implementation:  The process seems to ignore the bottom-up approach!!
  Carlton Samuels:I have been reticent in responding if only because Evan, Tijani and others have already indicated the disappointments.  Mark me down as ++!
  Carlton Samuels:@JAS WG: The plan was placed on the WG and comments requested!
  Evan Leibovitch:I am coming to the point where I think that ALAC -- independent of JAS/gTLD-WG issues -- has something to be said about the A&T issues raised by the way this was done.
  Carlton Samuels:@JAS WG: Had a private note from Rafik this am asking for procedure.  I told him give the WG a few more dys to see if anything bounce on the list and we will ask a small group to formally respond and place the draft on the list!
  Evan Leibovitch:@CAS +1
  Evan Leibovitch:I will send mine this week
  Matt Ashtiani:https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+360+Group+Proposal+Workspace
  Carlton Samuels:@Alan on 360 proposal: +1
  Carlton Samuels:@Alan on Prelim Issues Report on WHOIS: I agree about WHOIS WG discussion; mostly irrelevant!
  Carlton Samuels:https://community.icann.org/display/RAA/Negotiations+Between+ICANN+and+Registrars+to+Amend+the+Registrar+Accreditation+Agreement
  Carlton Samuels:and that!
  Carlton Samuels:The Report has some recommendations that is a survey of concerns.  We need to start with those and if others yet exist, then add them to our response
  Carlton Samuels:Sorry, I'm going to drop off now.  Can't hear a word of Tijani's....and the gardener is getting on my last good nerve!
  Carlton Samuels:bye everyone
  Evan Leibovitch:bye!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks Carlton
  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:I have to run also.  Sorry and bye!
  Evan Leibovitch:The Senate hearing mentioned that they needed to hear from end users. The point of the letter is to let them know we exist!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Wow -- this is the first time we're only 11 minutes over time. Taking into account the late start, we're under 10 minutes overtime. Thanks to all of you for this very productive call.