00:20:09 Silvia Vivanco - ICANN Org: Extended leadership call to be scheduled on a monthly basis before the AFRALO monthly call
00:20:53 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: AGENDA:
The listening Session/ brief- Hadia
Update on ICANN80
AFRALO-AfrICANN statement
Any additional matters you want to address
Next leadership+ call
00:29:07 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Seun S. Ojedeji the listening session was not the result of the slots being refused
00:29:53 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): The listening session is because whether we like it or not a travel policy needs to be considerd
00:31:29 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Seun S. Ojedeji so whether we decide to put forward our perspective or not the travel policy will go forward. The travel policy was a recommendation from the ombuds office
00:32:10 Bram Fudzulani: It is being imposed on all the RALOs @Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)?
00:32:46 Bram Fudzulani: When you put it “whether we like it or not” it takes away the whole community driven policy development
00:33:56 Bram Fudzulani: I think the conversation is that RALOs want this process to be community driven rather than being imposed by the ALAC leadership
00:34:26 Seun S. Ojedeji: I am not against a travel policy please Hadia
00:34:41 Seun S. Ojedeji: I am against the process of developiing the travel policy
00:36:06 Seun S. Ojedeji: Please tell me where the listening session was published before the travel slots?
00:37:14 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Bram Fudzulani nothing is being imposed on AFRALO, a travel policy needs to be considered so if we decide not to take part in the development of the policy that does not mean that it won’t go ahead.
00:37:22 Bram Fudzulani: Also beyond the listening session do we have the whole roadmap for this travel policy development? After the listening session what follows ?
00:37:57 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Bram Fudzulani we don’t we will shape the process as we go ahead
00:39:16 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "@Bram Fudzulani we d..."
@Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) do you have a process timeline somewhere? do you have reference where it was announced that there will be listening session prior to the allocation of slots to AFRALO
00:39:46 Bram Fudzulani: I think it would be good in the spirit of transparency to have these clearly defined and visible to all community members. We saw what happened with the initial decision which took everyone by surprise including the RALOs when Jonathan announced the pilot of the travel policy
00:40:15 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "@Seun S. Ojedeji the..."
Show me proof that it wasn't, show me where it was announced prior to the slots being refused
00:41:05 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Bram Fudzulani we will put the roadmap and as Raihanath is saying we need to have a role in the development of the policy. @Raihanath GBADAMASSI we need to take part in the discussions in order to shape the policy. If we abstain, how will our opinions be considered?
00:42:22 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Raihanath GBADAMASSI no one will impose anything on us, if we participate and express our views. This is how a bottom-up process works
00:42:54 Bram Fudzulani: Replying to "@Bram Fudzulani we w…"
Is it going toy be us (AFRALO) or the roadmap will be decided by ALAC in this case ?
00:43:41 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "@Raihanath GBADAMASS..."
who decided that a listening session would hold? @Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
00:43:58 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Raihanath GBADAMASSI the listening call is for us to gather input from our community, how does this relate to what the ALAC chair wants or does not want?
00:50:09 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Raihanath GBADAMASSI we need to have a travel policy to address what you are talking about. The three slots were allocated to AFRALO following past practices nothing new in that regard
00:51:46 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: For the AGM, the travel allocation will remain what it has been in the past. Leaders and incoming leaders.
00:52:14 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): We would like to have fungible slots so that the slots remain in the region and are carried on.
00:53:53 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Aziz Hilali that is why we need to have a travel policy. To address what you are addressing. +1 I agree that AFRALO is one of the most affected regions when it comes to visa issues and travel slots.
00:54:54 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Alac members you need to tell us what is happening in ALAC.
00:55:39 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Aziz Hilali what decisions?
00:56:17 Bukola Oronti: Please can I jump the queue as I have another call to join my 19:00UTC?
00:56:39 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Alac members you were aware you voted on the policy, while we were not even told that a policy had been developed.
00:56:55 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Reacted to "Please can I jump th..." with
00:57:25 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Aziz Hilali we don’t want anyone taking decisions for us
00:57:40 Bram Fudzulani: Reacted to "@Aziz Hilali we don’…" with
00:59:11 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Aziz Hilali this is why we need to take part in the discussion. We should start to discuss internally within our RALO
01:00:02 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Please note that the ALAC voted in favor of the travel policy 9 yes; 5 no; 1 abstention.
01:01:43 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Bukola Oronti but ALAC members were the Ones who voted on the policy and did not tell us about.
01:01:48 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "Please note that the..."
Is there a reference to what was exactly voted on?
01:03:25 Aziz Hilali: Replying to "Please note that the..."
Voting took place on the list of ICANN80 slots but not on policy. In addition the staff gave us 1 day
01:03:37 Seun S. Ojedeji: Thank you @Bukola Oronti for saying this again because i have tried to help @Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) see my point but maybe i am doing a poor job at explaining
01:03:48 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Bukola Oronti I don’t understand the issue with having a listening session. Regardless, of whether Jonathan wants a listening session or not. This is something that we should be eager to do
01:04:47 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Thank you @Bukola Oronti for saying this again because i have tried to help @Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) see my point but maybe i am doing a poor job at explaining
I got your point Seun
01:05:22 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: AGENDA:
The listening Session/ brief- Hadia
Update on ICANN80
AFRALO-AfrICANN statement
Any additional matters you want to address
Next leadership+ call
01:06:04 Silvia Vivanco - ICANN Org: 10 mins left
01:06:51 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Reacted to "Voting took place on..." with
01:08:49 Bukola Oronti: I need to get off this call, but I will be happy to listen to the recording and I hope we can get this misunderstanding behind us and move forward. We still need to have the listening session but with less tension and friction.
01:09:12 Bukola Oronti: Thank you @Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) for all that you do
01:09:12 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "@Bukola Oronti I don..."
Hadia once again you are missiing the point. The point is that the process to develop the travel policy needs to involve you and the other RALO Chairs. You all need to have agreed with Jonathan on how to go about developing the policy
01:10:13 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Seun S. Ojedeji the development of the session needs to include all of us
01:10:31 Aziz Hilali: Replying to "@Bukola Oronti I don..."01:10:39 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Sorry the development of the policy needs to include all of us
01:11:01 Bukola Oronti: Replying to "@Bukola Oronti I don..."
I have zero problem with the listening session, Seun is only asking questions about having the idea dropped on our laps without discussion even with the ALAC LT or ALAC Members or even with the RALO chairs
01:11:30 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "Sorry the developmen..."
Did i dispute that?
01:13:26 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @all it does not need to be only one listening session @Seun S. Ojedeji it does not need to be at the ALAC level, this is why we need to start a bottom up multi-stakeholder process
01:13:43 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Reacted to "Did i dispute that? " with
01:15:28 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Seun S. Ojedeji you have a point
01:16:24 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): However, a listening session does not need to be moderated by Melissa this is something we could all agree on.
01:17:33 Aziz Hilali: My hand has been up for a long time
01:17:44 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Would you be ok with whoever moderates to work with Melissa on the aims of the session?
01:17:51 Seun S. Ojedeji: Sorry Aziz time seem to be the issue
01:17:55 Seun S. Ojedeji: sorry about that
01:17:58 Silvia Vivanco - ICANN Org: Staff takes note of the need of the leadership call every month
01:18:11 Raihanath GBADAMASSI: Reacted to "Staff takes note of …" with
01:18:15 Seun S. Ojedeji: blame me on that Aziz it was my fault, i took more time ;-)
01:18:26 Silvia Vivanco - ICANN Org: Close the mic in zoom please Aziz
01:18:32 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong,Chad: FYI our TOPIC OF AFRALO-AfrICANN Session will be Bridging the Digital Divide: Empowering Africa through Multilingual Internet Infrastructure.
01:18:40 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Reacted to "FYI our TOPIC OF AFR..." with
01:19:06 Raihanath GBADAMASSI: Reacted to "FYI our TOPIC OF AFR…" with
01:19:16 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: ALAC members also should feel free to inform ALAC leadership of AFRALO views.
01:19:31 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Aziz Hilali you are part of ALAC
01:19:58 Seun S. Ojedeji: Replying to "ALAC members also sh..."
+1 to that especially if the ALAC chair provides the avenue for such feedback
01:20:05 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @Aziz Hilali please share with us what is happening
01:20:38 Seun S. Ojedeji: Am sorry i have to leave now for another call
01:20:42 Seun S. Ojedeji: non-ICANN
01:20:59 Seun S. Ojedeji: bye for now and nice discussing with you all
01:21:01 Seun S. Ojedeji: cheers!
01:21:08 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Reacted to "cheers!" with
01:21:18 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: AFRALO ALAC members - please feel free to write to Jonathan and all of ALAC on the views of AFRALO as well.
01:21:27 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): bye
01:21:58 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): @all please complete your travel
01:22:08 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC): Thank you