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Sub-group Members:   Andreea Brambilla, Andrew Harris, Avri Doria, Becky Burr, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Kavouss Arasteh, Mathieu Weill, Par Brumark, Parminder Singh, Paul McGrady, Philip Corwin, Seun Ojedeji, Vidushi Marda   (18)

Observers/Guests:

Staff:  Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Meghan Healy, Nigel Hickson, (Richard-PGI Tech Support)   (6)

Apologies:  Jorge Cancio

 

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **

Transcript

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Recording

Agenda

1.  Welcome

2.  Review of Agenda

3. Administration (5 minutes)

     3.1.  Questions to ICANN Legal – Status of Legal Committee

     3.2.  Hypotheticals document – Propose suspending the work until ICANN Legal responds to the questions. 

     3.3.  “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document – Propose suspending the work until this group completes the review of ICANN’s past and current litigation which will inform the development of that document.

4.  Questionnaire Update (20 minutes)

     4.1.  Method for processing responses

     4.1.1.  Rolling review of responses – Propose new responses to the questionnaire to be reviewed by the Jurisdiction sub-group at each meeting.

     4.1.2.  Proposal for a review team – Propose review team will be responsible for updating the sub-group on new responses and their status at each meeting as well as elaborating an evaluation framework for responses, for approval by the sub-group, based on the responses received.

     4.1.3.  Selection of the review team

     4.2.  Review of current responses in tool (document)

5.  Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation (30 minutes)

     5.1.  Review of Sign-up sheet (document)

     5.2.  Verisign, Inc. v. ICANN V2 – MW (document)

     5.3.  State of Arizona vs NTIA V2 - MW (document)

     5.4.  Ben Haim v. Iran…. – MW (document)

     5.5.  DCA v. ICANN - DM (document)

     5.6.  DCA V. ICANN – Appellate Court - DM (document)

     5.7.  Review of summary sheet template (document)

6.  AOB

Notes

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (3/1/2017 06:39) Good day all and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #22 on 1 March 2017 @ 13:00 UTC!

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (06:56) Hello everyone

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (06:59) good day all

  Mathieu Weill: (07:00) Hello

  Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (07:00) Hello everyone!

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:00) Please mute if not speaking

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Brendda

  Brenda Brewer: (07:01) Calling you Kavouss

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Hi.Pls advise to call me

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Tks

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:01) I was ill yesterday and lost a lot of time to prepare – happy to be here but need to make up reading list and can weigh in later

  Becky Burr: (07:01) good morning from DC

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:02) David

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:02) Happy to feel better

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:02) yes, many thanks Kavouss

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Dear Brenda, May you advise to call me

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Tks

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Bernie

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Good early morning .

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Pls advise the operator to dial me up .tks

  Brenda Brewer: (07:04) Experiencing dial out difficulties.  Continuing to try your dial out Kavouss.

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:04) tks

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:05) Grec, I am waiting to be dialed up as there might be some difficulties to do so

  Philip Corwin: (07:05) Good day all

  Mathieu Weill: (07:06) A comment : it's great to have such a detailed agenda, great job !

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:06) +1 AMathieu

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:06) that is @ M...

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:07) Mathieu, it is also ambitious to have such long agenda

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:08) Could the secretariat advise what is the problem that they can not dial me up

  Brenda Brewer: (07:09) Kavouss, the Adobe system will not allow the dial out at this time.  I am contacting operator for help.  Please stand by.

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:09) Grec, I am not connected yet

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:10) Greg sorry

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:10) Parminder your hand is still up

  Parminder: (07:10) sorry thanks

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:10) Good point Greg, docs remain open

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:10) support that Greg

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:11) Greg pls slow down when talkingi

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:11) No connection . pls read chat

  Parminder: (07:12) new hand

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:12) Dear Greg. I am still waiting to be connected

  Brenda Brewer: (07:13) An operator will be calling you soon Kavouss.

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:13) now connected

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:14) Kavouss hand

  Mathieu Weill: (07:15) Very faint

  Mathieu Weill: (07:15) Kavouss was faint

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:15) i could hear Kavouss faintly as well

  Brenda Brewer: (07:15) Getting help regarding Kavouss's line.  stand by please.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:17) hand Parminger

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:18) Parminder

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:19) they are on the Jurisdiction wiki

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:19) as they come in

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:21) I was only just connected to audio/phone as well Kavous there were obviously complications

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:23) well heard now

  Mathieu Weill: (07:26) Happy to help

  Mathieu Weill: (07:26) Also, please all consider doing outreach about the questionnaire in your resxpective groups

  Mathieu Weill: (07:26) Did so at CENTR today

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:26) Trying new mic – sorry, will put in chat

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:27) sorry, let's label the RT as a pilot = the job might eat up the team's time so let's make it easy for them to seek relief

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:27) Blanced team

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:29) I will volunteer

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:29) kavouss

  Vidushi Marda: (07:29) I volunteer

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:30) If these volunteers plan to be in Copenhagen maybe we can meet briefly

  Mathieu Weill: (07:30) +1 david. Good idea

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:30) May I propose that Mathieu coordinating the wroks of the team

  Mathieu Weill: (07:31) Kavouss : thanks but that might be beyond my abilities

  Mathieu Weill: (07:31) And not very good to have too many hats

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:32) I do not thing any one oppose to my suggestion provided that mMathieu kindly agrees to that

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:33) will bring up the document momentarily

  Paul McGrady: (07:37) Apologies, but I need to leave the call early.  Have a great day all.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:40) time check - 20 minutes left in call

  Vidushi Marda: (07:41) Is it just me or did the audio drop?

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:41) I can still hear after a pause

  Mathieu Weill: (07:41) yes Greg

  Brenda Brewer: (07:41) Audio is good

  Parminder: (07:41) the audio is fine - did not drop at all for me

  Vidushi Marda: (07:42) Hi - could I please have a dial out? I've lost all audio!

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:42) now silent

  Brenda Brewer: (07:42) Vidushi, private chat me your phone number, please

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:43) hands

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:43) two hands Greg

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:43) lots of audio issues today...  I can however now still hear Greg

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:44) we should put source if responder did, no? maybe they are replying personally

  Parminder: (07:45) i am ok, dont ned the mic now

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:46) good point, @Kavouss -

  Seun Ojedeji: (07:46) I agree with Kavouss

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (07:47) Must check out now... have a great day all...

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:47) bye Herb

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:48) Agree to let RT grapple with this first

  Erich Schweighofer: (07:49) Another meting - sevus.

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:50) I will take two more

  avri doria: (07:50) i apologize as well for having volunteered for this task yet have done nothing.

  Mathieu Weill: (07:50) I'll look at Pool.com (the only one in front of a non US court)

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:51) into the pool Mathieu

  Vidushi Marda: (07:51) i can look at ruby glen

  Mathieu Weill: (07:51) @David : feels like swimming in legalese sometimes

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:51) LOL

  avri doria: (07:51) i'll volunteer for Auerbach vs ICANN

  Mathieu Weill: (07:52) @Avri : nice one !

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:52) those picking cases here please be sure to put name in tool - so others don't duplicate work

  avri doria: (07:52) what is the url for this sheet?

  avri doria: (07:53) or i guess it is on the community page.

  Mathieu Weill: (07:53) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=DIg7JIestrn8FAFm9FFnEsbD-ofPrubCMKpWXcMW4a4&s=JuMrB8Bsy7II1yifbN6f6g_NHzRxNOpVbQgdLXspF3s&e=

  avri doria: (07:53) thanks

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:55) Mathieu did this

  Mathieu Weill: (07:55) Was not really sure of choice of law / governing law so might need to add

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:55) hand

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:56) time check: 5 minutes left

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:57) if we add to the form lets please write down what we are adding so reviewers are not guessing

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:58) courts always "discuss" JX just to say they have it

  David McAuley (RySG): (07:59) on mute

  Parminder: (07:59) it is significant that court asserts jurisdiction, and ful jurisdiction on different icann policy isuses

  Philip Corwin: (07:59) This is the litigation that ended with what was then the very controversial .com settlement

  David McAuley (RySG): (08:01) when is next meeting?

  David McAuley (RySG): (08:02) thanks Greg

  Seun Ojedeji: (08:03) Thanks and Bye

  David McAuley (RySG): (08:03) Thanks all, good bye

  avri doria: (08:03) bye

  Philip Corwin: (08:03) The settlement established the principle of presumptive renewal that later made its way into all new gTLD RAs

  Mathieu Weill: (08:03) Thanks

  Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (08:03)  Thx all! Bye!

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (08:03) bye all

  Nigel Hickson: (08:03) thank you - safe travels

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (08:03) bye