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Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #4 on 25 August 2016 @ 13:00 UTC!
Kavouss. Arasteh:Hi Brenda
Kavouss. Arasteh:Good day
Rosalía Morales:hello everyone
Brenda Brewer:hello all!
Farzaneh Badii:hi all
Steve DelBianco:Our current report doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?ts=57ba7a43
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hi everyone,
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):a
Alan Greenberg:Howdy
Tatiana Tropina:hi all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thx Farzi :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):All Good go ahead
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes Thanks for the doc updates Steve and Farzi... Deems I am having some audio isses us well so will mainly type
Farzaneh Badii:yes
Tatiana Tropina:I hear echo too
Tatiana Tropina:no more echo
Rinalia Abdul Rahim:ok now
Alan Greenberg:Canwe please use the speaker queue and not have a bilateral debate?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Kavous here you need to refer to the externa Reviews. GNSO and ALAC has done or is foinf its 2nd one already
Steve DelBianco:Exactly, Alan
Kavouss. Arasteh:Alan
Kavouss. Arasteh:Yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes Alan thanks for that clarity of our 'purpose'
Kavouss. Arasteh: Change the term
Alan Greenberg:A review is a way of measuring or estimating accountability. And it is only one part of doing that.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Indeed Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thanks Greg , your point of view is also noted and we should note the options to discuss a 360 degree approach as well in our work... THANKS
Tatiana Tropina:I have a bit of deja vu because I think Greg asked something like this already - and I agreed. Agree again.
Farzaneh Badii:we had a discussion last week on that. I will update the document on that discussion.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we will go around things a few times at this stage I suspect Yes Tatiana
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Farzi T
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Alan I assume that is a new habd
Alan Greenberg:Most definitely
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Your next then :-)
matthw shears:what is missing from the document and would provide a useful starting point would be to capture - similar to the table on page 4 - the language that each SO and AC has in their founding documents as to whom and for what they are accountbale
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):noted Matthe Thanks
Steve DelBianco:Good point, Matthew. Not easy to find that language for every SOAC and constituenct, though
matthw shears:I think we need that as a starting point - even there we may find that there are deficieincies
Steve DelBianco:Same as th eold bylaws in that regard, Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):So lets capture what we csan where the lnguage exists
Steve DelBianco:No, Alan. THe langage in the table was in the old bylaws too.
Steve DelBianco:Section 4. had this shall be to determine (i) whether that organization has a continuing purpose in the ICANN structure, and (ii) if so, whether any change in structure or operations is desirable to improve its effectiveness.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Well noted Alan
Steve DelBianco:and you are right that we added the bit about accountable to its constituent members
matthw shears:perhaps we can look at this more linearly - what do we mean by accountabilty, how do the existing SOs and ACs address accountability, how through the various reviews has this changed over time, etc.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hoping we will get there Matthew ;-)
Tatiana Tropina:+1 to Matt
Steve DelBianco:GNSO's first review resulted in a re-structure of GNSO Council.
Steve DelBianco:2nd review (just completed) did not recommend structural changes
Kavouss. Arasteh:Farzaneh
Kavouss. Arasteh:Effectiveness is entirely different from accoubtablity
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes Steve indeed, the ALAC's 2nd one is focussed more on the structure and function(s) of the Regional constructs RALOs and the ALSes in far more detail than was done in the 1st
matthw shears:Perhaps if we start with track 2 - the Working Plan first the other pieces can be worked into it - may allow us a way forward
matthw shears:yes - that should be the way we structure the work
Alan Greenberg:KAvouss is correct in that At-Large and the ALAC is *NOT* accountable to the 4 billion users. We would not want those users to sue ICANN because we were not doing our job. But we MUST be ensure that we do our best to represent their needs.
Kavouss. Arasteh:Reviews YES.eFFECTIVENESS YES
Kavouss. Arasteh:aCCOUNTABILTY AND MUTUAL ACCOUNTABILITY ARE VERY COMPLEX TO DEFINE, DESCRIBE, GOVERNED AND IMPLEMENTED
Kavouss. Arasteh:Lan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):WE ALL (I trust) agree this is complex Yes, and Matthew is proposig a way of looking at how any reviews so far have highlighted matters for our future track work
Kavouss. Arasteh:Agree with you ,but it would not be accountabilty as there is entity to ck whether ALAC doing its job to fully represent them. I.In fact you never could do that
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):nothing wrong with developng a disclaimer or more Alan :-)
matthw shears:Alan makes the point that we need to understand our respective sense of accountability first
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup
Steve DelBianco:barriers to participation might include: language, fees, travel costs, etc.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed it may
matthw shears:we then need an accepted set of criteria that could be used to measure accountability of the SOs and ACs - approptiately tailored to the ICANN space - we are jumping the gun by having discussions of representation. such a topic has to be measured against something and the AC/SOs performance - but we need criteria first
Steve DelBianco:Criteria are in the bylaws, Matthew: effectiveness and accountability. Now we are trying to add specifics to those criteria
matthw shears:no mic sorry
Alan Greenberg:Hard stop on the hour. CWG-IANA
Kavouss. Arasteh:There is no need that I prepare ANY DOC.
Kavouss. Arasteh:pLS TAKE THE RECORD AND CHAT CONTENT
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we always capture the Chat
matthw shears:thanks Steve - happy to
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):THANS ALL Bye for now
FIONA ASONGA:Bye
Tatiana Tropina:bye
jorge villa (ASO):bye!
Christian Dawson:Thanks all
Rosalia Morales:thanks bye!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye We will follow the existing Master schedule I assume